Jacksgranda Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, ahemps said: Professional teams? I didn't get the source but I took it that it meant by top league teams. So after 3 Liga they didn't count. Take the 56 league teams divided by their population. In Scotland it would be 42/5m roughly is 120k. My figures weren't actually aimed at you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB1872 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: How much less? And when did you mention that "point"? From the start. ‘prize money / TV money spread out more evenly’ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, AmericanFan said: You'll have to explain why not? The NBA is an international market with players from all over -- if that's what you're meaning by international? No, I mean Scottish clubs compete against clubs from dozens of other countries. Imposing a pay cap here would put our clubs at a disadvantage. No league is going to choose to disadvantage itself, and some leagues would happily watch competitor leagues disadvantage themselves and pick up their players for a fiver more. It just doesn't work. You'd need a Europe-wide salary cap, which is unworkable. The NBA is its own competition. It can do what it wants with no damage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB1872 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 minute ago, VincentGuerin said: No, I mean Scottish clubs compete against clubs from dozens of other countries. Imposing a pay cap here would put our clubs at a disadvantage. No league is going to choose to disadvantage itself, and some leagues would happily watch competitor leagues disadvantage themselves and pick up their players for a fiver more. It just doesn't work. You'd need a Europe-wide salary cap, which is unworkable. The NBA is its own competition. It can do what it wants with no damage. UEFA have just announced an update on FFP but , IMO, that will have little to no impact on our domestic game 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, AB1872 said: UEFA have just announced an update on FFP but , IMO, that will have little to no impact on our domestic game Yeah, it's not the same thing. Essentially solidifies the rich clubs' advantage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, AB1872 said: From the start. ‘prize money / TV money spread out more evenly’ That's only half an answer. Define more evenly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSaints1877 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 minute ago, AB1872 said: UEFA have just announced an update on FFP but , IMO, that will have little to no impact on our domestic game Can’t wait to get my grave-dancing shoes on again! Won’t be long until your club implodes once again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: No, I mean Scottish clubs compete against clubs from dozens of other countries. Imposing a pay cap here would put our clubs at a disadvantage. No league is going to choose to disadvantage itself, and some leagues would happily watch competitor leagues disadvantage themselves and pick up their players for a fiver more. It just doesn't work. You'd need a Europe-wide salary cap, which is unworkable. The NBA is its own competition. It can do what it wants with no damage. Gotcha. Kind of silly of me not to realize that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 17 hours ago, Girth said: We don't want them either. Thank you. Ireland, then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammyp Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 17 minutes ago, AB1872 said: Without Rangers and Celtic there is no TV deal. The Tv companies even dictate our league structure as they insist on 4 OF games Which is a massive problem, being held to ransom for a shite TV deal, just to guarantee 4 OF game is pathetic. Take less money and play each other twice equals more competitive league IMO. You must get bored of playing Celtic 6 times a season. All the doom and gloom prediction when Rangers died never happened, we still had a TV deal, all clubs survived the promised death of Scottish football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par-adise Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Few years back after a trip to Gayfield I was chatting to a bloke (a staunch jakey tbh) in the pub. After saying I'd been to see Arbroath v Dunfermline he asked "yeh but who do you really support, Rangers or Celtic?". He genuinely couldn't believe my answer was just Dunfermline. I'm sure fans of all other diddy teams can recount similar tales ad nauseum. While this is still the mentality we'll get nowhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB1872 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 23 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: That's only half an answer. Define more evenly. Well obviously it goes down from 1st - 10th but without the Top 2 taking the vast majority of the money for themselves TV coverage more evenly spread giving other clubs more exposure rather than every Old Firm away game being on. The TV deal we have is really poor in comparison with many other countries. If you’re wanting exact numbers you can chase yersel . Clubs have to make more effort to maximise finances and a start would be to try and sell out more games. Livi do it and have a relatively decent record against OF clubs. Hopefully BBC Alba will pay lower leagues to broadcast their games. Seeding the League Cup should go as well. There is probably 101 ways we could work towards to improve our game as a whole. Wishing away the Old Firm cash cow isn’t one of them. Exploit the finances they can generate A more competitive League with other clubs doing more in Europe will improve them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSaints1877 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 minute ago, AB1872 said: Well obviously it goes down from 1st - 10th but without the Top 2 taking the vast majority of the money for themselves TV coverage more evenly spread giving other clubs more exposure rather than every Old Firm away game being on. The TV deal we have is really poor in comparison with many other countries. If you’re wanting exact numbers you can chase yersel . Clubs have to make more effort to maximise finances and a start would be to try and sell out more games. Livi do it and have a relatively decent record against OF clubs. Hopefully BBC Alba will pay lower leagues to broadcast their games. Seeding the League Cup should go as well. There is probably 101 ways we could work towards to improve our game as a whole. Wishing away the Old Firm cash cow isn’t one of them. Exploit the finances they can generate A more competitive League with other clubs doing more in Europe will improve them There isn’t such a thing as the Old Firm. That charade finished in 2012. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB1872 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 37 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Yeah, it's not the same thing. Essentially solidifies the rich clubs' advantage. That’s the way I see it. Stoke City are held back as their extremely generous and wealthy owners are restricted in what they can put into the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB1872 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Just now, SuperSaints1877 said: There isn’t such a thing as the Old Firm. That charade finished in 2012. You’re even more boring than me and that takes some doing Save yourself the bother you’re going on ignore 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSaints1877 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Just now, AB1872 said: That’s the way I see it. Stoke City are held back as their extremely generous and wealthy owners are restricted in what they can put into the club. So are Aston Villa. They are a far richer and more successful team than your mob. Just ask their manager. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB1872 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 26 minutes ago, Jammyp said: Which is a massive problem, being held to ransom for a shite TV deal, just to guarantee 4 OF game is pathetic. Take less money and play each other twice equals more competitive league IMO. You must get bored of playing Celtic 6 times a season. All the doom and gloom prediction when Rangers died never happened, we still had a TV deal, all clubs survived the promised death of Scottish football. I was in total agreement right up to the end. If you remember the TV companies held out until they got Rangers games as well.. or something along those lines. I thought it was refreshing to see the lower league clubs getting more National exposure but no I don’t want to go through it again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Who knew Annan v Elgin city was at the heart of our problems. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, AB1872 said: Well obviously it goes down from 1st - 10th but without the Top 2 taking the vast majority of the money for themselves TV coverage more evenly spread giving other clubs more exposure rather than every Old Firm away game being on. The TV deal we have is really poor in comparison with many other countries. If you’re wanting exact numbers you can chase yersel . Clubs have to make more effort to maximise finances and a start would be to try and sell out more games. Livi do it and have a relatively decent record against OF clubs. Hopefully BBC Alba will pay lower leagues to broadcast their games. Seeding the League Cup should go as well. There is probably 101 ways we could work towards to improve our game as a whole. Wishing away the Old Firm cash cow isn’t one of them. Exploit the finances they can generate A more competitive League with other clubs doing more in Europe will improve them I'm not looking exact numbers, just something a bit more than "it goes down from 1st to 10th". Is this just TV money you're talking about, which is chicken feed.? What about your European millions being more equably distributed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 57 minutes ago, AB1872 said: Without Rangers and Celtic there is no TV deal. There is literally nothing to suggest this would be the case. Much smaller set-ups than we would be left with, have TV deals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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