Lowland league

[gav-ffc]

Few grand extra for each club is it?

Thought the colts would put eyes on the product with more sponsors and even a tv deal with the thousands who want to watch them?

[Burnieman]

14 hours ago, Glenconner said:

Obviously a majority of LL ain't agreeing with it.

I notice the two East Coasters who bumped their gums promoting the pyramid on the old Junior forum have went very quiet.

No mention of Colt teams and most of the LL clubs being self serving Quislings.

You haven't been paying attention then.

[Killiepiyo]

1 hour ago, gav-ffc said:

Few grand extra for each club is it?

Thought the colts would put eyes on the product with more sponsors and even a tv deal with the thousands who want to watch them?

Well that’s the problem thousands don’t, looking at the figures of attendances on the table provided. Just taking up two spaces the ambitious clubs could have in opinions. What about if every club donates 2k each and we approach the lowland league with the money and a suggestion they switch grades with us?? Lol *emotional damage*

[Rugbyroader]

If there had been a Superleague with the best Junior Sides from the East and West in it that would have been a better solution that the Lowland League. There would still have been local derbies and rivalries both East and West and the travelling would have been reduced. The feeders into this leagues would have been West and East based. The issue is what to do with the South of Scotland and Midland teams. I’d split them East and West with the M74 being the dividing line in the South and Falkirk being the dividing line in the Midlands. Borders teams go East, Dalbeattie etc are West.  

The position now is that there are stronger teams in the West and East not in the lowland league and being blocked by Vale of Leithen, Broomhill, Edinburgh University, Stirling University, Cumbernauld Colts, Caledonian Braves etc and the Premiership teams looking to use it to blood youngsters instead of setting up a reserve league. 

Reconstruction was required but the current set up is too compromised. 

[geo87]

Whilst I have lost all respect for the LL and most of its clubs, west and east of Scotland ex juniors have no right to complain.

They literally let this happen right under their noses, you had the chance to drive the future of our non league / semi pro game, but for some weird reason you didn’t, and decided to listen to a bunch of dinosaurs and one racist.

FWIW, I sincerely hope the LL gets opened up soon and is replaced by the top east and west teams - that will make an absolutely brilliant league. But it will be under the say so of the league you wanted no part of a few years ago.

[Glenconner]

Cut to the chase, one man and his fan club caused this LL farce.

 

[Lurcer]

5 hours ago, Glenconner said:

Cut to the chase, one man and his fan club caused this LL farce.

 

Sorry, but lots of posts on here have “hinted” at this. I’m assuming it’s not Voldemort, so who is it ?  
 

[Rugbyroader]

14 hours ago, geo87 said:

Whilst I have lost all respect for the LL and most of its clubs, west and east of Scotland ex juniors have no right to complain.

They literally let this happen right under their noses, you had the chance to drive the future of our non league / semi pro game, but for some weird reason you didn’t, and decided to listen to a bunch of dinosaurs and one racist.

FWIW, I sincerely hope the LL gets opened up soon and is replaced by the top east and west teams - that will make an absolutely brilliant league. But it will be under the say so of the league you wanted no part of a few years ago.

With one team up it’s going to take about  a decade for the league to reach the position it should be in now with the strongest teams in the West and East replacing the weaker LL teams. Some of the better East and West teams might have been promoted to the SPFL by then. 

The SPFL wouldn’t have been in favour of a Junior Superleague as that left them with the issue of dealing with the member clubs in other leagues and the Junior clubs probably wanted access to the Scottish Cup which they could only get by becoming part of the Pyramid. 

There was a solution to be found but it’s not the LL with colt teams in it. 

Everyone knows that a combined league would be the best solution but vested interests are going to stop that happening and it’s going to take years to reach what should be in place now.

A new league should have been created from the top lowland league and east and west junior teams. As things currently stand the lowland league teams are blocking this happening. 

Edited April 11, 2022 by Rugbyroader

[drs]

Clubs below Tier 5 in the East and West only have themselves to blame.

Shat it when presented with bollocks bout Tuesdays in Elgin and £20k toilet blocks. Took Kelty to show them that leaving behind a dying "grade" was the only real action to take.

The pyramid will get there eventually.

[Dev]

Every thread about the pyramid says how it isn't working as well as it should.

When anyone asks why this is it starts a war of words.

When anyone points the finger at the SFA and says it is who runs Scottish football and is ultimately responsible for this mess there's lots of "they don't have the power to do anything" comments.

The SFA need to do what has been done widely throughout other football nations, and that is, organise a mass consultation of leagues, clubs, referees etc about the shape of the pyramid and movement up and down the leagues, including movement of referees and the dealing with player discipline.

A fixed time-table should be drawn up for the consultations and, at the end, a plan put forward for consideration and comment by the leagues, clubs and referees.

Then the final proposals for the future of the pyramid etc should be published and decided upon with reviews possible every five years.

The structure of the Pyramid means covering every Saturday adult mens clubs and league.

It could lead to the closure of some existing leagues and the creation of new leagues or it may decide that no or only minor changes are required. It would start at the top of the SPFL and go down to district amateur and welfare leagues. It could lead to the merging of say the amateurs, welfare, junior and senior organisations or not but they all would be examined.

The SFA can make this happen.It has the powers to do so. No excuses! 

 

[Glenconner]

3 hours ago, Lurcer said:

Sorry, but lots of posts on here have “hinted” at this. I’m assuming it’s not Voldemort, so who is it ?  
 

The head honcho of the then SJFA.

[jimbaxters]

3 hours ago, Lurcer said:

Sorry, but lots of posts on here have “hinted” at this. I’m assuming it’s not Voldemort, so who is it ?  
 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

16 hours ago, geo87 said:

Whilst I have lost all respect for the LL and most of its clubs, west and east of Scotland ex juniors have no right to complain.

They literally let this happen right under their noses, you had the chance to drive the future of our non league / semi pro game, but for some weird reason you didn’t, and decided to listen to a bunch of dinosaurs and one racist.

FWIW, I sincerely hope the LL gets opened up soon and is replaced by the top east and west teams - that will make an absolutely brilliant league. But it will be under the say so of the league you wanted no part of a few years ago.

That wasted year of the ‘done deal’ absolutely fucked the new tier 6 clubs chance of more influence. 

[B75]

Question for all those who say the SoS should be at tier 7 not tier 6. Where then do the SoS champions go? If they stay SoS then the league isn't part of the pyramid. Go west? What if Campbelltown finish bottom of the WoS, they're hardly going to go in the SoS. Same applies if SoS champs go east, can't expect Edinburgh College to go south. Simple solution leave SoS at tier 6.

[Rugbyroader]

2 hours ago, Dev said:

Every thread about the pyramid says how it isn't working as well as it should.

When anyone asks why this is it starts a war of words.

When anyone points the finger at the SFA and says it is who runs Scottish football and is ultimately responsible for this mess there's lots of "they don't have the power to do anything" comments.

The SFA need to do what has been done widely throughout other football nations, and that is, organise a mass consultation of leagues, clubs, referees etc about the shape of the pyramid and movement up and down the leagues, including movement of referees and the dealing with player discipline.

A fixed time-table should be drawn up for the consultations and, at the end, a plan put forward for consideration and comment by the leagues, clubs and referees.

Then the final proposals for the future of the pyramid etc should be published and decided upon with reviews possible every five years.

The structure of the Pyramid means covering every Saturday adult mens clubs and league.

It could lead to the closure of some existing leagues and the creation of new leagues or it may decide that no or only minor changes are required. It would start at the top of the SPFL and go down to district amateur and welfare leagues. It could lead to the merging of say the amateurs, welfare, junior and senior organisations or not but they all would be examined.

The SFA can make this happen.It has the powers to do so. No excuses! 

 

It wouldn’t have to be the entire pyramid it only needs to be from League 2 down.  It should happen but I can’t see it. All tiers below the second division should get a vote on to negate the vested interests. 

[Ginaro]

46 minutes ago, B75 said:

Question for all those who say the SoS should be at tier 7 not tier 6. Where then do the SoS champions go? If they stay SoS then the league isn't part of the pyramid. Go west? What if Campbelltown finish bottom of the WoS, they're hardly going to go in the SoS. Same applies if SoS champs go east, can't expect Edinburgh College to go south. Simple solution leave SoS at tier 6.

No idea what Campbelltown or Edinburgh College have got to do with the SoS, because neither will ever be playing there.

The SoS champions should go into the WoS system, a play-off with either the 13th Premier Division or 3rd First Division team would probably the best way to do things, so that they are at that level on merit. Rather than moving everyone over to the bottom WoS division - though if you did that, you would likely have enough numbers to split into North/South. 

Or if you don't like the SoS being told what to do - then let's ask them to see if they want to continue having the option of promotion into the LL. 

Edited April 11, 2022 by Ginaro

[Rugbyroader]

53 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

No idea what Campbelltown or Edinburgh College have got to do with the SoS, because neither will ever be playing there.

The SoS champions should go into the WoS system, a play-off with either the 13th Premier Division or 3rd First Division team would probably the best way to do things, so that they are at that level on merit. Rather than moving everyone over to bottom WoS division, though at that point you would have enough numbers to split into North/South. 

Or if you don't like the SoS being told what to do - then let's ask them to see if they want to continue having the option of promotion into the LL. 

The original South of Scotland league had Ayrshire teams in it. Bonnyton Thistle we’re also members of that league previously.

The natural alignment for the South of Scotland League is the West of Scotland. The issue is where they fit in. This could be dealt with by a playoff at the appropriate level. The number of clubs in the South of Scotland League could flex if their Champion gets promoted as it doesn’t seem appropriate that a West of Scotland team could get relegated to that league but a team from the South of the West may choose that league depending on geography. 

 

Edited April 11, 2022 by Rugbyroader

[zenon]

Here's another solution, transist the SOS into the WOS system by splitting the table into levels.

1st to 4th of SOS into tier 7 (WOS Division 1)

5th to 7th of SOS into tier 8 (WOS Division 2)

8th to 10th of SOS into tier 9 (WOS Division 3)

11th to 13th of SOS into tier 10 (WOS Division 4)

Edited April 11, 2022 by zenon

[rockson]

42 minutes ago, zenon said:

Here's another solution, transist the SOS into the WOS system by splitting the table into levels.

1st to 4th of SOS into tier 7 (WOS Division 1)

5th to 7th of SOS into tier 8 (WOS Division 2)

8th to 10th of SOS into tier 9 (WOS Division 3)

11th to 13th of SOS into tier 10 (WOS Division 4)

What if the lower placed SoS teams don't want to go into a WoS Division at all? Would you force them to? They are geographically confined and constrained. Why should they move?

In any case there's a degree of (perhaps unwarranted) entitlement to this discussion. What if the SoS champions actually manage to win the present round robin play-offs to the LL? Granted it's unlikely to happen this season (and maybe in the near future) but if it did it would put a lot of egg on a lot of faces.

[Rugbyroader]

26 minutes ago, rockson said:

What if the lower placed SoS teams don't want to go into a WoS Division at all? Would you force them to? They are geographically confined and constrained. Why should they move?

In any case there's a degree of (perhaps unwarranted) entitlement to this discussion. What if the SoS champions actually manage to win the present round robin play-offs to the LL? Granted it's unlikely to happen this season (and maybe in the near future) but if it did it would put a lot of egg on a lot of faces.

The SOS is a distinct geographical entity. The question is what is the equivalent level of that league in the West? When the league is linear would the SOS be the equivalent of the league below Premier or two leagues below. The SOS champions could be in a playoff with the equivalent level in the West. If they win they’d get promoted and the SOS would have one team less. The team coming down from the league above would go into the West. There would have to be a degree of flex as the SOS would be reduced by one team and the West league could increase by one team if the SOS team was promoted. Would the likes of Kello, Craigmark or Girvan want to go into the SOS rather than be in the West? They are the closest teams in terms of distance to some SOS teams but going into the SOS would be through choice. 

It’s all academic anyway as we’re stuck with the current league set up despite it’s flaws.