101 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 minute ago, virginton said: I'd want at least 75%. Unearned generational wealth is the most legitimate target for taxation in society and governments should go aggressively after avoidance chancer scheme and huckle the financial 'advisors' responsible for them into jail. I agree is not earned so get it in the public pursue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 hours ago, KingRocketman II said: and yet this is poles apart..... Well, yeah it is. The second part of the quote is absolutely nothing to do with Independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red23 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 9 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: On 23/03/2022 at 23:40, red23 said: Check the rage, your comment makes no sense what so ever. You must really have little to do in life if you can recall a post from months ago and then try turn it in to something it's not. What a pathetic fool. Pathetic sleazeball. Dundee mink. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 On 23/03/2022 at 18:05, Granny Danger said: It’s not just the poor. It’s the millions of deluded cúnts who somehow think that their interests are aligned with the Sunaks of this world. These people deserve everything they get, sadly the poor don’t. 'Aspirational' tory voters are baffling, in a sort of 'point and laugh' way. I have two acquaintances (I don't like them enough to consider them friends), a couple, they are both Tory voters and not shy in telling people about this fact, despite the fact that nobody in their immediate social circle, like, not one single person, shares their political outlook. Where the bemusement comes in is that they both work their fingers to the bone, yet they are permanently broke, and display none of the obvious trappings of owning any sort of wealth. So, they drive a shitty old car, live in a very modest property, if I'm brutally honest they dress like tramps, and they never ever put their hands in their pockets for a round despite having happily accepted drinks from others when offered. I've garnered enough info through very subtle probing to know that no, they don't have a big pile of money squirrelled away, they are genuinely broke, and both are shitting themselves about insufficient pensions. What neither of them seem to realise is that they are just pretty much typical working-class people like the rest of us, the sort of folk that genuine, home counties public school educated Tories wouldn't piss on if they were on fire, yet they genuinely view themselves as being social equals to and ideological comrades with this criminal cartel of a UK government. I haven't a fucking clue what drives it, but I can only assume it's some sort of vicarious living, and a perception that by claiming to be a tory, it actually grants them some sort of superior social standing or status. Neither of them show any interest in football, but I see parallels between their behaviours, and those of OF fans. Both of them get extremely excited at UK General Elections and happily sound off about how 'we' won the election when the Tories get into power, and they seem to revel in it as if it's somehow a personal achievement and a reflection on them as people. It's all very odd indeed given their personal circumstances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 51 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: 'Aspirational' tory voters are baffling, in a sort of 'point and laugh' way. I have two acquaintances (I don't like them enough to consider them friends), a couple, they are both Tory voters and not shy in telling people about this fact, despite the fact that nobody in their immediate social circle, like, not one single person, shares their political outlook. Where the bemusement comes in is that they both work their fingers to the bone, yet they are permanently broke, and display none of the obvious trappings of owning any sort of wealth. So, they drive a shitty old car, live in a very modest property, if I'm brutally honest they dress like tramps, and they never ever put their hands in their pockets for a round despite having happily accepted drinks from others when offered. I've garnered enough info through very subtle probing to know that no, they don't have a big pile of money squirrelled away, they are genuinely broke, and both are shitting themselves about insufficient pensions. What neither of them seem to realise is that they are just pretty much typical working-class people like the rest of us, the sort of folk that genuine, home counties public school educated Tories wouldn't piss on if they were on fire, yet they genuinely view themselves as being social equals to and ideological comrades with this criminal cartel of a UK government. I haven't a fucking clue what drives it, but I can only assume it's some sort of vicarious living, and a perception that by claiming to be a tory, it actually grants them some sort of superior social standing or status. Neither of them show any interest in football, but I see parallels between their behaviours, and those of OF fans. Both of them get extremely excited at UK General Elections and happily sound off about how 'we' won the election when the Tories get into power, and they seem to revel in it as if it's somehow a personal achievement and a reflection on them as people. It's all very odd indeed given their personal circumstances. Do they, by any chance, disapprove of female commentators for male sports? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Boo Khaki said: 'Aspirational' tory voters are baffling, in a sort of 'point and laugh' way. I have two acquaintances (I don't like them enough to consider them friends), a couple, they are both Tory voters and not shy in telling people about this fact, despite the fact that nobody in their immediate social circle, like, not one single person, shares their political outlook. Where the bemusement comes in is that they both work their fingers to the bone, yet they are permanently broke, and display none of the obvious trappings of owning any sort of wealth. So, they drive a shitty old car, live in a very modest property, if I'm brutally honest they dress like tramps, and they never ever put their hands in their pockets for a round despite having happily accepted drinks from others when offered. I've garnered enough info through very subtle probing to know that no, they don't have a big pile of money squirrelled away, they are genuinely broke, and both are shitting themselves about insufficient pensions. What neither of them seem to realise is that they are just pretty much typical working-class people like the rest of us, the sort of folk that genuine, home counties public school educated Tories wouldn't piss on if they were on fire, yet they genuinely view themselves as being social equals to and ideological comrades with this criminal cartel of a UK government. I haven't a fucking clue what drives it, but I can only assume it's some sort of vicarious living, and a perception that by claiming to be a tory, it actually grants them some sort of superior social standing or status. Neither of them show any interest in football, but I see parallels between their behaviours, and those of OF fans. Both of them get extremely excited at UK General Elections and happily sound off about how 'we' won the election when the Tories get into power, and they seem to revel in it as if it's somehow a personal achievement and a reflection on them as people. It's all very odd indeed given their personal circumstances. It’s the thick working class morons who vote conservative, that got us into this disaster. They genuinely think they’ve more in common with the billionaire chancellor, than working people struggling to pay the bills and often relying on food banks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, MONKMAN said: It’s the thick working class morons who vote conservative, that got us into this disaster. They genuinely think they’ve more in common with the billionaire chancellor, than working people struggling to pay the bills and often relying on food banks. I don't think they think they have more in common with him, they aspire to be him (impossible) and the certainly think they are better that the people even £10 worse off than them, and how do you go about providing that? Endorse the Tories as a personality trait. You will see at the next election if the Labour party run on a commitment of increasing taxes for the wealthiest 1%, a whole load of working people will be screaming about it and yet are in silence as the Tories Rob them blind. It's a depressing situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, MONKMAN said: It’s the thick working class morons who vote conservative, that got us into this disaster. They genuinely think they’ve more in common with the billionaire chancellor, than working people struggling to pay the bills and often relying on food banks. Is it too late to change the thread title to “Cost of Voting Tory Crisis”? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Congratulations to Rishi, he has crashed consumer confidence to around the same levels in Spring 2020 when we had all just been locked in. I didn't think it was possible to get back to those days but he's managed it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 16 hours ago, DAFC. said: Any Yoons came in and defended the UK government and Sunak by declaring "This is happening in every country all over the world" yet? The general UK population are boot-licking shitebags, so these crises will just have to be the norm I guess. To be fair, this is happening all over the world (or at least all over Europe) and it's not like the Tories have caused the increase in gas and oil prices. What they have done is given us an economy that is structured to shit on the poor and to protect capital investments. They've also given us a society with an income and wealth distribution that is more like South America than Europe. https://data.oecd.org/inequality/income-inequality.htm https://www.compareyourcountry.org/inequality/en/0/314/default/2002 Compare Sunak 's pathetic tinkering and photo ops to France capping energy prices. They can because their energy is largely a state utility. Ideology determined that our energy needs are a blue chip investment. £8bn estimated cost a month or so ago but surely worth it. Germany's government is taking similar action to our own. But Germany has less relative poverty to start with. So while people might have a point that it's not just the UK having difficulties, that's no defence for failing to take adequate action or for having put us in a position where we have an inability to act. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 16 hours ago, virginton said: Eight billion in a back of a fag packet set of manifesto promises is not a credible solution. The reality is that in order to try and achieve the supreme advantage of, err, a hung parliament, Labour rallied to the defence of the propertied class and their divine right to hand down their homes to their sprogs unhindered by the reality of paying care costs. And so nothing has been done to solve that problem - and now Labour is mewling about who ends up paying the price. If you're a total moron, sure. A 170-page document is about as far from the back of a fag packet as Morton are from a successful football team. I'd be pretty confident in stating that you've never read that or any other party's manifesto. Your reality is, sadly, the product of your believing, with no foundation, that you are the intellectual superior on here. Most other posters on here live in actual reality. Glad you're admitting to your casual racial stereotyping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, coprolite said: To be fair, this is happening all over the world (or at least all over Europe) and it's not like the Tories have caused the increase in gas and oil prices. What they have done is given us an economy that is structured to shit on the poor and to protect capital investments. They've also given us a society with an income and wealth distribution that is more like South America than Europe. https://data.oecd.org/inequality/income-inequality.htm https://www.compareyourcountry.org/inequality/en/0/314/default/2002 Compare Sunak 's pathetic tinkering and photo ops to France capping energy prices. They can because their energy is largely a state utility. Ideology determined that our energy needs are a blue chip investment. £8bn estimated cost a month or so ago but surely worth it. Germany's government is taking similar action to our own. But Germany has less relative poverty to start with. So while people might have a point that it's not just the UK having difficulties, that's no defence for failing to take adequate action or for having put us in a position where we have an inability to act. ..and because (B), absolutely fucking (A). To be fair, rather than causing the rise, they have failed to take obvious and timely measures to mitigate the looming crisis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 25 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: ..and because (B), absolutely fucking (A). To be fair, rather than causing the rise, they have failed to take obvious and timely measures to mitigate the looming crisis. I think we're talking cross purposes here. The Tories don't control the global commodity prices. But i agree they can affect the price paid by uk consumers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 https://theferret.scot/tag/priced-out/ A good piece on this as always by the Ferret 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vikingTON Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 6 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: A 170-page document is about as far from the back of a fag packet as Morton are from a successful football team. I'd be pretty confident in stating that you've never read that or any other party's manifesto. Your reality is, sadly, the product of your believing, with no foundation, that you are the intellectual superior on here. Most other posters on here live in actual reality. They spent 170 pages discussing social care? So why were they on the side of the propertied class and their divine right to not have to fund at least a significant chunk of their care bill from their own accumulated wealth? Quote Glad you're admitting to your casual racial stereotyping. The only thing being admitted in this discussion is the fact that you're a total moron. Thanks for playing anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 The only thing being admitted in this discussion is the fact that you're a total moron. Thanks for playing anyway. ...and there's the well worn tactic of "post "amusing" picture when I run out of big words"Off to beddy byes, sonny. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out then. Meanwhile, here's your time-honoured tribune of the people defending the sacred socialist principle of, err, private home-owners getting to pass on their entirely unearned wealth to their sprogs, while the taxpayer pays tens if not hundreds of thousands of pounds for their personal care package: https://labourlist.org/2017/10/corbyn-revives-attack-on-dementia-tax-as-he-targets-iconic-tory-seat/ Quote Jeremy Corbyn will today use a visit to an iconic Tory seat to launch a fresh attack on ministers for reviving the “dementia tax” which helped Theresa May to squander her majority at the general election. Corbyn will visit a community centre in Shipley to condemn as “appalling” the Tory proposals to demand pensioners sell their homes to pay for care rather than passing them on to their children. Jeremy Corbyn's Labour here, championing the interest of the inheritance-based, dauphin class of south-east England, while shifting the enormous bill of actually funding care on the taxpayer for no valid reason. As tactical political games go, this was a particularly stupid and risible one from your hero. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 I know it’s in England but still they really don’t give a f**k do they 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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