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A Masterclass in Employee Relations from P&O Ferries


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12 minutes ago, Left Back said:

It's the failing to notify the secretary of state that's a criminal offence and he's still claiming they had no obligation to do this in the UK.  Stick him in front of a jury and see how he gets on with that argument.

They don't have to do that. Some Tory minister claims they do but they dont. Seafarers directive from 2018, to comply with an EU directive, changed that to a requirement to notify a competent authority of the flag state. I believe that's malta for p&o's ferries. 

Breaking the consultation rule entitles employees to civil compensation. They paid some, which they'll claim is adequate 

 

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That p***k is literally sitting in front of MPs and saying I broke your laws, but your laws and you are now so shit not only don't we care we would do it again and there is nothing you can do about it.

And the facts that they didn't do it to their Dutch or French employees must tell these muppets something, and that before the abhorrence of the rates of pay isn't properly tackled , it a sickening nonsense.

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19 minutes ago, MEADOWXI said:

That p***k is literally sitting in front of MPs and saying I broke your laws, but your laws and you are now so shit not only don't we care we would do it again and there is nothing you can do about it.

And the facts that they didn't do it to their Dutch or French employees must tell these muppets something, and that before the abhorrence of the rates of pay isn't properly tackled , it a sickening nonsense.

Yes, but if it is people / papers in England moaning then perhaps they need to reflect on their own actions?

They fucking voted for Tories, did they expect laws enacted which protect workers?

This can hardly come as a surprise.....................

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3 hours ago, MEADOWXI said:

That p***k is literally sitting in front of MPs and saying I broke your laws, but your laws and you are now so shit not only don't we care we would do it again and there is nothing you can do about it.

And the facts that they didn't do it to their Dutch or French employees must tell these muppets something, and that before the abhorrence of the rates of pay isn't properly tackled , it a sickening nonsense.

If the UK brought in legislation to comply with EU law and it allowed the company to act in that way then surely they could do the same with EU workers but chose not to.

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1 minute ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:
11 minutes ago, strichener said:
If the UK brought in legislation to comply with EU law and it allowed the company to act in that way then surely they could do the same with EU workers but chose not to.

"If" doing some seriously heavy lifting there..

Remove the word "if" then as it a statement of fact.

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Remove the word "if" then as it a statement of fact.
So, what you're saying is that the UK government enacted legislation to comply with the EU TWO YEARS after the vote to leave and reclaim control?

Aye, that makes a lot of sense.

Whatever the reason, EU compliance was not it.
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53 minutes ago, strichener said:

If the UK brought in legislation to comply with EU law and it allowed the company to act in that way then surely they could do the same with EU workers but chose not to.

Unless Dutch and French laws have greater employee protection than the UK. 

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22 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

The worst thing about that testimony is the p***k from p&o going "we know we broke the law" 

If nothing happens to them then we are all up the shit creek

It happens all the time, but not on the scale of this fiasco.  As long as the company adequately compensate there's not much that can be done. 

Maybe a few of the employees will reject the offer and sue and see if they can make some kind of special case against P&O but I'm not sure how as employment law is pretty prescriptive.  

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10 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Grant Shapps on TV this morning saying the guy should resign because of how he came across in parliament.

Just counti

 

P&O actions are awful and the guy came across terribly however, if we are using how folk come across in Parliament as a yardstick then Shapps should start closer to home with his list for resignation.... 

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24 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Grant Shapps on TV this morning saying the guy should resign because of how he came across in parliament.

Just counting the fucks given by P&O Ferries ... 

Tories saying folk should resign for they way the come across is completely laughable.

The vast majority of their MPs would be for the bin if that was the yard stick.

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15 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

So, what you're saying is that the UK government enacted legislation to comply with the EU TWO YEARS after the vote to leave and reclaim control?

Aye, that makes a lot of sense.

Whatever the reason, EU compliance was not it.

We were in the EU 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2018/9780111164334/pdfs/ukdsiem_9780111164334_en.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_rcynieH2AhWzoFwKHThcDfsQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw26zNccpLfbitdJ_dyHXa3Q

 

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23 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

So, what you're saying is that the UK government enacted legislation to comply with the EU TWO YEARS after the vote to leave and reclaim control?

Aye, that makes a lot of sense.

Whatever the reason, EU compliance was not it.

You are making yourself look silly here.  We had to incorporate directives into UK statute right through the transition period.  So yes EU compliance was the reason.

ETA: I see the post above from Coprolite gives the reasons and unsurprisingly includes EU directives.

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You are making yourself look silly here.  We had to incorporate directives into UK statute right through the transition period.  So yes EU compliance was the reason.
ETA: I see the post above from Coprolite gives the reasons and unsurprisingly includes EU directives.
Surprising to see WRK twisting everything to blame the Tory government, even when they’re not at fault here.
 
Yep, Johnson's Tories - Champions of the workers. They complied, ok. No great noise made until this shit blew up though, as their supporters would not have been best pleased at continued bending of the knee to Brussels.
Strange it's only the UK workers being fucked over, don't you think?
LB - how far do you think they will push for realistic compensation for UK workers, and how severely will the cűnts at P&O be punished - if at all?
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