A Message to All Stirling Albion Trust Members

[WC Boggs]

2 hours ago, Burnsythebinman said:

this is akin to the wild west. madness to involve the players in this, even if they asked they should have been told no and protected from it all. first game on saturday and players are spending time in murky club politics.

What makes you think they weren't told no?  I met one by chance nearly a month ago and he was, contrary to Trust board assurances that the players were not being affected,  fucking furious.   In fact the Club had spelt out all the reasons they should stay out of it and they did. Until the Trust board made that final refusal on a vote and here we are. One step closer to chaos.

[Burnsythebinman]

1 hour ago, WC Boggs said:

What makes you think they weren't told no?  

because the club published the players letter on the official club social media twitter account.  Hardly saying no is it

[WC Boggs]

2 minutes ago, Burnsythebinman said:

because the club published the players letter on the official club social media twitter account.  Hardly saying no is it

They were told no over a month ago, they weren't listening any more. There's a point at which you can't  control adults by saying no.  One of the reasons listed to the players not to get involved, was that the board would get blamed for it if they did it.  Even that wasn't deflecting the anger, so if they were determined to do it, better there than here there and everywhere.

[Burnsythebinman]

its up to yous but i still think they should have been thanked privately for their support and asked to keep out of anything public. if they dont perform on staurdays it could be used against them that there heads are in the club politics when they should be on the game. hope yous get this sorted one way or another

[Cardle is Magic]

On 25/07/2022 at 12:32, LeodhasXD said:

To sign it Stirling Albion Players in fancy font gives it so more legitimacy. 

Holy christ, I saw this on Twitter and had assumed it was someone taking the piss 🫣

[WC Boggs]

36 minutes ago, Burnsythebinman said:

its up to yous but i still think they should have been thanked privately for their support and asked to keep out of anything public. if they dont perform on staurdays it could be used against them that there heads are in the club politics when they should be on the game. hope yous get this sorted one way or another

The club tried all that, argued all that. In the end the players were too angry to keep the lid on.  The board were always going to get the blame when the players finally blew a fuse, so official twitter site? f**k it might as well. Personally I wish the players had kept out of it for all the reasons you do, but I won't condemn a single one of the lads for doing it.

Edited July 26, 2022 by WC Boggs
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[rhliston]

42 minutes ago, Cardle is Magic said:

Holy christ, I saw this on Twitter and had assumed it was someone taking the piss 🫣

Unfortunately Not, its the continuing saga that is unfolding at Stirling Albion. 

[Red Watch]

47 minutes ago, Cardle is Magic said:

Holy christ, I saw this on Twitter and had assumed it was someone taking the piss 🫣

An activity all too prevalent in the Boardroom, unfortunately.

[Red Watch]

News from the trenches.  The Trust Board has just issued this statement:

The Board of the Stirling Albion Supporters’ Society Limited (the “Trust”) are willing to enter into mediation, in good faith, with the Board of the Stirling Albion Football and Athletic Company Limited (the “Company”; the “Club”). We all want what is best for our football club and we will work constructively with the Club Board. 

For the Trust the purpose of this mediation is to put in place a governance structure similar to that of other fan-owned clubs, which will require changes to the Club’s Articles of Association. These changes will help safeguard the long-term stability of Stirling Albion and we hope will provide a framework to support joint working and importantly improve the relationship between the Trust, as the majority shareholder, and the Club Board.  We recognise this joint approach and improved relations are the wish of everyone associated with Stirling Albion.

Past failed attempts at mediation and discussions had led the Trust Board to believe the only way to put appropriate rules in place would be to remove the existing board before doing so. We acknowledged this was extreme but felt we were left with no other option.

However, in an attempt at reconciliation and with the interests of Stirling Albion at heart, if the Club Board is willing to engage in discussions, we are willing to not vote for the action to remove the current Club Directors. We are happy for an independent mediator to oversee these discussions and would support one involved in fan-owned football in Scotland or from a specialist mediation organisation.

We will send a legal proposal to the Club with the following terms for mediation:

1. For an interim period, three additional board members to be appointed, representing the Trust and independent shareholders.
2. Role of Chairperson and Operations Director to be split and an independent, non-executive chairman to be appointed.
3. Discussions to be entered into by this interim board to make changes to the Club’s Articles of Association.
4. New Articles to be adopted no more than 4 months from the date of the agreement to enter mediation.

If the Club agree to these terms and a legally binding agreement is entered into, the Trust will not vote for the current motion to remove the existing Club Directors.

For clarity, attached is the Trust Board’s starting position for discussion on suggested changes to the Articles to let you see what type of rule changes we mean. As we have previously stated, these provisions are normal in corporate governance and standard practice in other fan-owned clubs’ structures.

Additionally, we are aware the Trust rules need to be updated to reflect current best practice and we will undertake this exercise with reference to other fan-owned clubs’ supporters associations.

The Trust Board sincerely hopes this proposal is accepted and the Trust and Club can begin to work harmoniously together for the sole benefit of Stirling Albion Football Club.
 

The SAST Board
26th July 2022

 

 

[Red Watch]

Below is the text of the document referred to in the aforementioned statement:

PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION OF STIRLING ALBION FOOTBALL AND
ATHLETIC CLUB LIMITED
1. Board of Directors
a. The make up of the board should be:
i. Three operational roles from the Club, being the managing director or similar
position, the commercial director and the finance director, or such similar roles
as may be appropriate.
ii. Three representatives of the Trust or independent shareholders.
iii. An independent chairperson.
b. The chairperson of the board should be non-executive and not hold either a position on
the Trust board or an operational position within the Club
c. No person shall be appointed as a director to the Company without the prior written
approval of the Trust.
d. Directors hold office for a term of 3 years after which they must seek re-election.
e. All directors to be put up for re-election at the first AGM after the adoption of new
Articles and, subsequently directors to be put up for re-election on a rotational basis
such that no more than 1/3 of the board may change at any point in time.

2. Matters Requiring the Approval of the Trust
a. Any change in the name or nickname of Stirling Albion Football Club.
b. Any change in the badges, logos or other devices used in the branding of the Club.
c. Any change in the colours of the Club’s home playing strip.
d. Any change in stadium location or name.
e. Any transaction involving land or buildings with a market value over £30,000.
f. Any borrowings, secured or unsecured, apart from those incurred in the normal course
of trade.
g. Any lease commitment in excess of £10,000 per annum.
h. Any changes to the capital structure of the Club including the issue of new shares.
i. Any changes to the Articles of Association of the Club.
j. The incorporation of any new subsidiary or associated company.
k. The appointment of a receiver or administrator.
l. An annual budget.
m. Individual items of expenditure over £20k not in the approved annual budget.
n. Individual items of capital expenditure over £20k
o. The appointment of a team manager.
p. The appointment of anyone on the Club's payroll with a salary over £25k, excluding
player’s contracts.
q. A strategic business plan.

3. Information Requirements
a. Information to be laid before or otherwise distributed to the board:
i. Monthly management accounts.
ii. An annual budget, to be prepared in advance of the start of a new financial year.
iii. A business plan.

 

[WC Boggs]

The smell of shite filled underwear around the Trust board must be overwhelming.  What a peace plan. Give them everything they want or we'll say you wouldn't have peace. It's a sort Red Watchy  stinky sort of peace plan.

[RateofKnots]

Again, purely an outside perspective, but 3 years seems a fairly short term position. 

[Red Watch]

16 minutes ago, WC Boggs said:

The smell of shite filled underwear around the Trust board must be overwhelming.  What a peace plan. Give them everything they want or we'll say you wouldn't have peace. It's a sort Red Watchy  stinky sort of peace plan.

Is that a serious response?  I would have thought that your nurse would have counselled you against such negativity.

But you are right in one respect.  What has now been proposed bears reasonable comparison to what was envisaged by me and others in my post last Saturday evening - a proposal that was ridiculed as one which you wanted nothing to do with.

In my view these are serious proposals which merit serious consideration rather than the reaction you have displayed.  I suggest you have a lie down before commenting further - you will only make a fool of yourself otherwise.

[rhliston]

Well I did not find out about the Trust Board Update until I arrived at the meeting tonight.

Having read it, the proposed changes to the Articles of Association of Stirling Albion Fc seem fair. 
Let’s hope an agreement can be reached and these changes being proposed are put in place as soon as possible.
 

 

[WC Boggs]

4 hours ago, Red Watch said:

Is that a serious response?  I would have thought that your nurse would have counselled you against such negativity.

But you are right in one respect.  What has now been proposed bears reasonable comparison to what was envisaged by me and others in my post last Saturday evening - a proposal that was ridiculed as one which you wanted nothing to do with.

In my view these are serious proposals which merit serious consideration rather than the reaction you have displayed.  I suggest you have a lie down before commenting further - you will only make a fool of yourself otherwise.

Nah it wasn't serious. I don't take you seriously.  Your proposal was rightly ridiculed.  Having seen this prelude to mediation  starting off with both chairmen disputing who said what to each other, I've little hope for this one either. 

A mediation offer born out of the Trust board panicking at the imminent departure of key people and an open player rebellion.  After all the Trust board rhetoric about unelected  directors,  A mediation offer  proposing.....  mock surprise...... nobody standing for election.  I'll give it 2 weeks tops and both sides will be blaming the other for it all breaking down.  

You can keep it.  What's going to be left won't be worth fighting over. 

 

[WC Boggs]

34 minutes ago, rhliston said:

Well I did not find out about the Trust Board Update until I arrived at the meeting tonight.

Having read it, the proposed changes to the Articles of Association of Stirling Albion Fc seem fair. 
Let’s hope an agreement can be reached and these changes being proposed are put in place as soon as possible.
 

 

Will it put and end to your new war with Mrs  McGregor though?

[rhliston]

9 hours ago, WC Boggs said:

Will it put and end to your new war with Mrs  McGregor though?

What new war with Mrs McGregor are you talking about. ? 

[WC Boggs]

1 hour ago, rhliston said:

What new war with Mrs McGregor are you talking about. ? 

I heard you've been busy on facebook..

[The Moonster]

6 minutes ago, WC Boggs said:

I heard you've been busy on facebook..

That's not creepy at all...

[rhliston]

33 minutes ago, WC Boggs said:

I heard you've been busy on facebook..

And ? 

While I am on here can I say I was less than impressed with your comments last night at the Trust meeting. I got the impression that most of those present were a bit pissed off with you as well. No doubt you will deny this but I really think you need to have a long and hard look at what you say to people and how you come across here on this forum WC Boggs. Clearly someone is pulling your strings in the background and I think most people know what I am talking about. It does you no favours and its not a good way to portray yourself or the Club for that matter.