WhiteRoseKillie Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 45 minutes ago, 101 said: Tbf I think the NI count is yet to declare anything hopefully the coverage increases during the day. To be honest, Scotland, Red Wall and Westminster/Wandsworth will pale into insignificance if SF and other Nationalists form the Assembly. The GFA agreement allows for a border referendum.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 So far the BBC have it: SNP: 77 (-4) Labour: 54 (+9) Conservative: 44 (-11) Independent: 44 (- Liberal Democrat: 16 (+7) Green: 9 (+6) Alba: [emoji3]SNP shifting to Green & Tories to Labour/Lib Dems? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: *Which I have never, ever understood. How many cheeky chappies leave their wives while they're undergoing cancer treatment or arrange for journalists to be beaten? Or get sacked twice for lying to their employer(s)? All these happened well before he absofuckinglutely did not get Brexit done. The way people engage with politicians has changed fundamentally. What you describe means that a Russian-minted liar, chancer, fraud and thief like Johnson would never have got near the top echelons of the Tory Party until around 10 years ago- before then he'd have been, at best, an eccentric backbencher in the mould of Sir Gerald Nabarro or Nicolas Fairbairn.. Tory-voting people know all this about the leadership, and they just don't care. Politics is increasingly transactional and appeals to old fashioned notions like the common good and decency, to a long track record of diligent public service, just don't cut it any more. Look at Starmer. I have no time for the guy, but fundamentally he is "decent"- meaning reasonably fair minded and, well, boring. In an era of trivia and celebrity style personality a guy like that just doesn't cut through. They are simply too dull. There's also an increasingly shattered notion of what "society" is, or should be. Add in a constant thick fog of disinformation and lies via the dead tree press and social media, and you get chancers and snake oil salesmen like Johnson and Farage, and the downright corrupt and evil, as you rightly characterise other cabinet members, running things, appearing to move the country in the direction right / far right voters want whilst simply enriching themselves and cronies / clients. Edited May 6, 2022 by Ivo den Bieman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 minute ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: To be honest, Scotland, Red Wall and Westminster/Wandsworth will pale into insignificance if SF and other Nationalists form the Assembly. The GFA agreement allows for a border referendum.. Is that possible? I thought the admin had to have a Nationalist/Unionist FM/dFM. Wonder if the DUP will even form part of the new executive? Seem to be bumping their gums about the EU protocol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kejan said: Is that possible? I thought the admin had to have a Nationalist/Unionist FM/dFM. Wonder if the DUP will even form part of the new executive? Seem to be bumping their gums about the EU protocol. The FM can be “other”, but the DFM has to be Unionist or Nationalist (and the opposite of the FM if they’re not “other”). Edited May 6, 2022 by The Master 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 39 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Never change, WRK. Never change. 's just the way I am, innit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingscot Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: To be honest, Scotland, Red Wall and Westminster/Wandsworth will pale into insignificance if SF and other Nationalists form the Assembly. The GFA agreement allows for a border referendum.. A United Ireland referendum relies on the NI Secretary, basically the UK Government, thinking it is likely to succeed. There is no process listed for this, so I doubt the Tories will be calling one soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Just now, The Master said: The FM can be “other”, but the DFM has to be Unionist or Nationalist (and the opposite of the FM if they’re not “other”). Interesting. I think the DUP will come second but if Alliance can do it, would be interesting and funny to see the William Orangeman types 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Another incumbent Alba councillor goes with Jim McEleny losing his seat. From first on first preference votes as an SNP candidate in 2017, to last on first preference votes as an Alba candidate in 2022. Behind the Tories. In Inverclyde. Has the son been dumped yet? He needs punted as well, all I ever see is him spewing guff about wee Nic. Edited May 6, 2022 by dirty dingus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) SNP - 2 (nc) LAB - 1 (nc) LD - 1 (+1) IND - 0 (-1) Dundee council leader back in. Lib Dems picking up the retiring Lord Provost's seat. SNP - 2 (nc) LAB - 2 (nc) Edited May 6, 2022 by The Master 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Tories losing a seat in Dalgety Bay Inverkeithing and Aberdour. Lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kejan said: Interesting. I think the DUP will come second but if Alliance can do it, would be interesting and funny to see the William Orangeman types Even if Alliance come second, the DUP (assuming they come third) still get the DFM nomination. But it would certainly spark a debate about the fairness of such a setup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 36 minutes ago, scottsdad said: For England/the UK, I would say a Labour government is essential. Even a minority one, or coalition, or whatever. The Tories are so utterly abysmal that they need to go. And the only way England will go that way is with a Blair/Starmer type at the helm. Yep. Long game. Get into power, then bring in some policies which actually benefit the people of the country, not the non-dom cúnts who are happily raping it atm. And get RLB, John Trickett, and Richerd Burgon back on the FB, while finding a safe seat for Laura Pidcock. Actually, Laura will probably get her Durham seat back at the next GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 39 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I completely agree with that but if I lived in England like WRK I would be very frustrated by the reality. Frustrated doesn't even come close.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 minute ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: Yep. Long game. Get into power, then bring in some policies which actually benefit the people of the country, not the non-dom cúnts who are happily raping it atm. And get RLB, John Trickett, and Richerd Burgon back on the FB, while finding a safe seat for Laura Pidcock. Actually, Laura will probably get her Durham seat back at the next GE. If Burgon is amongst the best that the Labour left have to offer then they are fucked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Just now, WhiteRoseKillie said: Frustrated doesn't even come close.. Labour need 2 leaders, 1 for the left wing for the non metropolitan areas and 1 centrist to win the cities. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 No more Tories in Forfar & District. Cleaned out. +10.9 increase for the SNP. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: To be honest, Scotland, Red Wall and Westminster/Wandsworth will pale into insignificance if SF and other Nationalists form the Assembly. The GFA agreement allows for a border referendum.. I think you mean the Executive. And the nationalists can't form it on their own. 11 minutes ago, Kejan said: Is that possible? I thought the admin had to have a Nationalist/Unionist FM/dFM. Wonder if the DUP will even form part of the new executive? Seem to be bumping their gums about the EU protocol. It will be a very bad look if they don't. Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't, all the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I'll be delighted to see Chris McEleny punted from Inverclyde. A worthless gobshite. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I quite like this electoral system, Tories got 9% in my constituency, Greens 7%. Greens got in, Tories didn't! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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