Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Ukraine: Russia to deploy musicians to front to boost morale - BBC News 'H' from Steppes is shitting himself. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bennett Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: Unless they've been seriously decimating Ukrainian troops, the myth of Wagner as a formidable fighting force must be blown by now. Is it 4 months they've been at it in Bakhmut? 1 hour ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: Ukraine: Russia to deploy musicians to front to boost morale - BBC News 'H' from Steppes is shitting himself. Maybe he's entertaining the troops. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 This guy is usually worth a watch: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 17 hours ago, welshbairn said: Unless they've been seriously decimating Ukrainian troops, the myth of Wagner as a formidable fighting force must be blown by now. Is it 4 months they've been at it in Bakhmut? Wagner were never seen as a formidable fighting force though. They're lightly armed mercenaries used by Russia in places like Libya where they fight in civil wars against poorly armed rebels. When they encounter professional soldiers, they get their arses handed to them - like the Americans did in Syria for example - 40 US troops with air support and artillery were attacked by a force of 500 Wagner mercenaries and Syrian troops. The Yanks slaughtered them. They're thugs and bullies supplemented recently with the dregs from prisons but their leader is playing power politics and is setting himself up as the head of a private army. Worryingly perhaps, they announced the other day that they'd executed 10 of their new recruits who'd refused to fight in Ukraine. So you've got a private company executing Russian citizens without any recourse to legal process. This doesn't end well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Definitely significant if the Ukrainians are able to start regularly striking this area. Why the bridge to Crimea at Chonhar wasn't destroyed by retreating Ukrainian forces at the start of the conflict remains a mystery: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Reports that Zelensky has made an unannounced visit to Bakhmut, which would be almost unbelievable given that it’s the currently seeing the fiercest fighting on any front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Possibly in response to this - https://news.yahoo.com/media-shoigus-visit-russian-forward-055000520.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEjeqQz8mlHyiVXtZ7lrKuTP9agxmccHE-ziRSlHnngYN4QUPhbprTfa_zkN1tnRuaTDUK3vxse5gWNhkJxCe_30Vc5WkYqrQLNN3sqWA2ir2f0JojpsqDpvkdqZuceF4aiPGGjs4ZuxCC54DogrwPun0lrmOU6crTYa4c94bM5y Quote Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu's claimed "visit" to "forward Russian positions" in Ukraine turned out to be more than 80 kilometers away from the front line in Russian-occupied Crimea, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Newbornbairn said: Possibly in response to this - https://news.yahoo.com/media-shoigus-visit-russian-forward-055000520.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEjeqQz8mlHyiVXtZ7lrKuTP9agxmccHE-ziRSlHnngYN4QUPhbprTfa_zkN1tnRuaTDUK3vxse5gWNhkJxCe_30Vc5WkYqrQLNN3sqWA2ir2f0JojpsqDpvkdqZuceF4aiPGGjs4ZuxCC54DogrwPun0lrmOU6crTYa4c94bM5y Quote Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu's claimed "visit" to "forward Russian positions" in Ukraine turned out to be more than 80 kilometers away from the front line in Russian-occupied Crimea, Russia's a big country, so 80 miles from the front is practically staring down the barrel of a Ukrainian rifle, imho... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Washington Post article about the software being used by the Ukrainians in the war. Every battalion has its own software dev, according to this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/12/19/palantir-algorithm-data-ukraine-war/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Anyone remember Dmitry Rogozin? He is a former deputy PM of Russia and when Russia invaded Ukraine he was head of the Russian space agency. He is a controversial figure due to his history of Nazism, being involved with several neo-Nazi groups in the 2000s. Since leaving Roscosmos he has been advising the Russian occupation authorities on, well, on something. Last night in Donetsk he was eating a birthday dinner in a restaurant when it was hit with a missile. According to reports Rogozin has injuries to his head and body. Also injured was Vitaly Khotsenko, Prime Minister of the ‘DPR’. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-shelling-attack-injures-two-top-pro-russia-officials-donetsk-agencies-2022-12-22/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandcowden Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 6 hours ago, ICTChris said: Anyone remember Dmitry Rogozin? He is a former deputy PM of Russia and when Russia invaded Ukraine he was head of the Russian space agency. He is a controversial figure due to his history of Nazism, being involved with several neo-Nazi groups in the 2000s. Since leaving Roscosmos he has been advising the Russian occupation authorities on, well, on something. Last night in Donetsk he was eating a birthday dinner in a restaurant when it was hit with a missile. According to reports Rogozin has injuries to his head and body. Also injured was Vitaly Khotsenko, Prime Minister of the ‘DPR’. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-shelling-attack-injures-two-top-pro-russia-officials-donetsk-agencies-2022-12-22/ Why do bad things happen to good people 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 6 hours ago, ICTChris said: Anyone remember Dmitry Rogozin? He is a former deputy PM of Russia and when Russia invaded Ukraine he was head of the Russian space agency. He is a controversial figure due to his history of Nazism, being involved with several neo-Nazi groups in the 2000s. Since leaving Roscosmos he has been advising the Russian occupation authorities on, well, on something. Last night in Donetsk he was eating a birthday dinner in a restaurant when it was hit with a missile. According to reports Rogozin has injuries to his head and body. Also injured was Vitaly Khotsenko, Prime Minister of the ‘DPR’. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-shelling-attack-injures-two-top-pro-russia-officials-donetsk-agencies-2022-12-22/ Bit surprised that Russia haven't seemed to have been targeting top Ukrainian officials, either by missiles or infiltration. The collaborating officials in Russian occupied territory are dropping about one a week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Bit surprised that Russia haven't seemed to have been targeting top Ukrainian officials, either by missiles or infiltration. The collaborating officials in Russian occupied territory are dropping about one a week. Russia did at the start, the infiltrators were captured. They may be having the Soviet problem of you send people to spy and report and they realize it’s better outside… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, TxRover said: Russia did at the start, the infiltrators were captured. They may be having the Soviet problem of you send people to spy and report and they realize it’s better outside… Unless you delve deep into the Russian side of Telegram we get a very skewed idea of what's going on, it could be that Ukraine are better at keeping their losses quiet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Think we would hear about stuff like this if it was happening in Ukrainian-controlled areas: Guess the difference might be that the Ukrainians had 8 years to prepare their version of Operation Gladio. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Ukraine seem to have better control over soldiers giving away their positions on social media, the same could apply to civilians. I just don't think we're hearing the whole story, no numbers on estimated Ukrainian military casualties for example, but with possibly hyped up ones for Russians. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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