jagfox Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 RU apparently launching long range missiles at Ukrainian targets from within their own territory. Think it is meant to be those x-101 or whatever they are called. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, jagfox said: What does that make Saudi Arabia and Israel? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, MazzyStar said: What does that make Saudi Arabia and Israel? They're not attacking people that look like us... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Foot Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: They're not attacking people that look like us... What do we look like? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, jagfox said: RU apparently launching long range missiles at Ukrainian targets from within their own territory. Think it is meant to be those x-101 or whatever they are called. The biggest problem with using long range weapons is the risk of misdirection/navigation failure. It’s all well and good when your 1,500+ mile cruise missile hits the target 500 miles away, it’s when a component fails and it flys another 1,000 miles in a random direction before crashing and exploding that it becomes a problem. With the age of some of these systems, and the general unreliability of Russian technology and maintenance, this is becoming a more serious issue. Hopefully NATO air defences could and would down a rogue missile, but… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 One of their UAVs crash landed in Zagreb earlier this year, so they have already had issues that way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Zagreb_Tu-141_cras 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, MazzyStar said: What does that make Saudi Arabia and Israel? Great bunch of lads apparently... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: One of their UAVs crash landed in Zagreb earlier this year, so they have already had issues that way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Zagreb_Tu-141_cras Exactly, now put a 1,000 kg warhead on it and have it hit near Munich. The stray Ukrainian S-300 was a clear example of how risky this is getting for involving third parties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Russia's attack on the Ukrainian electricity grid has been pretty effective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Important to bear in mind that the Ukrainians are able to repair a lot of the damage to their powergrid fairly quickly and have several nuclear plants and huge hydroelectric dams on the Dniepr that the Russians are unlikely to be able to destroy: meanwhile Russian missile stocks continue to deplete... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Assuming any exclusively nuclear armed missiles that are launched have had their warheads removed seems slightly dangerous to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Assuming any exclusively nuclear armed missiles that are launched have had their warheads removed seems slightly dangerous to me.Well presumably we'll find out for sure when they land.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Bairnardo said: 6 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: Assuming any exclusively nuclear armed missiles that are launched have had their warheads removed seems slightly dangerous to me. Well presumably we'll find out for sure when they land.... "Oleg, did you mind to take the warheads off those missiles? The what?" Edited November 26, 2022 by Sergeant Wilson 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: Assuming any exclusively nuclear armed missiles that are launched have had their warheads removed seems slightly dangerous to me. Well presumably we'll find out for sure when they land.... Yea, a 200kt nuclear warhead will make a slightly larger boom than a few bags of sand and a bit of fuel, eh? On a related consideration, those suckers have a 2,500km range and are nearing 40+ years old. Their reliability is likely to be a bit questionable. Let’s say one overflies Ukraine, and heads off across Poland for Germany…what warhead does it have? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, TxRover said: Yea, a 200kt nuclear warhead will make a slightly larger boom than a few bags of sand and a bit of fuel, eh? On a related consideration, those suckers have a 2,500km range and are nearing 40+ years old. Their reliability is likely to be a bit questionable. Let’s say one overflies Ukraine, and heads off across Poland for Germany…what warhead does it have? There's also the (apparent) issue that our intelligence agencies appear, before seeing photographs of a claimed to have been shot down missile, to have been completely unaware that a missile that could only have been armed with a nuclear warhead had even been launched. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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