Russian invasion of Ukraine

[jagfox]

 

 

[jagfox]

Multiple attacks from UA forces into Kherson. 

Kherson city being hit back with S-300 missiles adapted to ground to ground use.

[Sergeant Wilson]

She looks like she's heard @LongTimeLurkeris on his way.

 

[Newbornbairn]

23 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

She looks like she's heard @LongTimeLurkeris on his way.

 

I always preferred Cagney but I bet Lacey was dirtier. 

[jagfox]

 

[Sweet Pete]

I agree with long time lurker. The Sarn't is a dangerous menace. He's killed before. Admittedly it was a football club on that occasion, but that was how Dahmer got started. 

[ICTChris]

The UK have supplied Brimstone 2 missiles, which have twice the range of previously supplied Brimstones.

They are designed to be fired from aircraft but Ukraine has adapted them to be fired from ground at air targets.

[Sweet Pete]

7 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

The UK have supplied Brimstone 2 missiles, which have twice the range of previously supplied Brimstones.

They are designed to be fired from aircraft but Ukraine has adapted them to be fired from ground at air targets.

I preferred the original brimstone. Sequels are never as good. 

[LongTimeLurker]

2 hours ago, jagfox said:

 

The back story to this being that this will be the Moscow Patriachate faction of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church that answered to Moscow and wasn't independent from it in ecclesiastical terms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Orthodox_Church_(Moscow_Patriarchate)

Until late May of this year when they decided they had finally had enough of Vlad & Co.

 

[Dev]

//bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/11/22/israel-to-russia-well-supply-ballistic-missiles-to-ukraine-if/

An extract from this article:

"Israel has issued an ultimatum to Russia: if Moscow does not stop buying Iranian weapons, be it drones or missiles, Jerusalem will seriously consider supplying Kyiv with high-precision ballistic missiles. The Israeli media also wrote about this ultimatum, and in an extended material, the topic was touched on by the Israeli TV channel Kan-11.

A source from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs also spoke about the same. According to him, says Military Monitoring, the head of Israel’s Security Council, Mr. Eyal Hulata, issued the same warning to his Russian counterparts."

Anyone have any info on what these can do e.g. range, ground fire/air-fired etc. Thoughts on what they could do to affect the war?

 

[Dev]

Worth keeping an eye on the Nuremburg side of this War :

//www.theepochtimes.com/us-state-dept-evidence-suggests-systemic-war-crimes-by-russia-in-ukraine-is-new-nuremberg-moment_4878339.html

US State Dept Evidence Suggests ‘Systemic War Crimes’ by Russia in Ukraine is ‘New Nuremberg Moment’

//www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3619426-consultations-on-prosecuting-russia-for-crime-of-aggression-against-ukraine-held-in-the-hague.html

22.11.2022 10:54

 

Consultations on the mechanisms and tools to prosecute Russian for committing the crime of aggression against Ukraine were held in The Hague, Netherlands.

"We worked in The Hague, we held regular consultations with our Dutch partners actually. We discuss various issues, in particular, the responsibility for the crime of aggression against Ukraine, the possibility of certain actions within the framework of the UN General Assembly, the creation of a special tribunal, how to strengthen and internationalize the national investigation and prosecution for committing the crime of aggression against Ukraine. All these issues are being discussed," Anton Korynevych, Ambassador-at-Large at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, told an Ukrinform correspondent in The Hague in an exclusive comment.

The Ambassador-at-Large also said that consultations in The Hague were held with representatives of the Dutch government, including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Justice, and experts.

"We held substantive consultations. We will move further searching for the best options, opportunities both to create a special tribunal for the crime of aggression against Ukraine and strengthen the internationalization of the national investigation into the crime of aggression against Ukraine," Korynevych noted and emphasized that the creation of the special tribunal should be the result of joint efforts of the international community.

He added that a resolution of the Dutch Parliament was adopted in October calling for the creation of the special tribunal in The Hague.

"In our opinion, it is a very good and correct initiative. At the moment, the key question is: how and what should be done to create the special tribunal," he emphasized.

Korynevych believes that cooperation with the International Criminal Court (ICC) is also very important for Ukraine.

"I am convinced that the International Criminal Court should show good results regarding the investigation into the situation in Ukraine, it has all the tools for this. We absolutely support active cooperation with the ICC. The special tribunal will complement the work of the ICC. We see the special tribunal as a complementary mechanism to the ICC regarding the crime of aggression against Ukraine, a crime over which the ICC has no jurisdiction in our specific situation," he said.

The diplomat emphasized that the crime of aggression against Ukraine "is the most obvious one since the end of World War II. This crime of aggression against Ukraine cannot be left unanswered because then it would mean that any dictator can do similar things whenever he wants realizing that he will not be brought to justice for this and everything will be limited to the responsibility of middle-level commanders for committing war crimes or crimes against humanity."

Therefore, it is in the interests of the international community not to ignore the crime of aggression against Ukraine.

"We believe and are convinced that investigating and bringing to justice for the crime of aggression is the fastest and most effective way to reach the highest political and military leadership of the Russian Federation," Korynevych emphasized.

As reported, Ukraine took the initiative to create special tribunal to prosecute members of the Russian Security Council for the crime of aggression against our state.

President Volodymyr Zelensky formed a working group led by Head of the President’s Office Andriy Yermak to deal with the issue of creating special international tribunal to hold those guilty of aggression against Ukraine to account.

The creation of such a tribunal was supported by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, the European Parliament, the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, and the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly.

Kyiv considers several options for creating the special tribunal, one of which is based on an agreement between Ukraine and the UN which can adopt a relevant resolution.

[Sergeant Wilson]

2 hours ago, Sweet Pete said:

I agree with long time lurker. The Sarn't is a dangerous menace. He's killed before. Admittedly it was a football club on that occasion, but that was how Dahmer got started. 

Now I know how Martin McGuiness felt. 

2 hours ago, ICTChris said:

The UK have supplied Brimstone 2 missiles, which have twice the range of previously supplied Brimstones.

They are designed to be fired from aircraft but Ukraine has adapted them to be fired from ground at air targets.

They'll need more than 2.

[Newbornbairn]

1 hour ago, Dev said:

Worth keeping an eye on the Nuremburg side of this War :

//www.theepochtimes.com/us-state-dept-evidence-suggests-systemic-war-crimes-by-russia-in-ukraine-is-new-nuremberg-moment_4878339.html

US State Dept Evidence Suggests ‘Systemic War Crimes’ by Russia in Ukraine is ‘New Nuremberg Moment’

//www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3619426-consultations-on-prosecuting-russia-for-crime-of-aggression-against-ukraine-held-in-the-hague.html

22.11.2022 10:54

 

Consultations on the mechanisms and tools to prosecute Russian for committing the crime of aggression against Ukraine were held in The Hague, Netherlands.

"We worked in The Hague, we held regular consultations with our Dutch partners actually. We discuss various issues, in particular, the responsibility for the crime of aggression against Ukraine, the possibility of certain actions within the framework of the UN General Assembly, the creation of a special tribunal, how to strengthen and internationalize the national investigation and prosecution for committing the crime of aggression against Ukraine. All these issues are being discussed," Anton Korynevych, Ambassador-at-Large at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, told an Ukrinform correspondent in The Hague in an exclusive comment.

The Ambassador-at-Large also said that consultations in The Hague were held with representatives of the Dutch government, including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Justice, and experts.

"We held substantive consultations. We will move further searching for the best options, opportunities both to create a special tribunal for the crime of aggression against Ukraine and strengthen the internationalization of the national investigation into the crime of aggression against Ukraine," Korynevych noted and emphasized that the creation of the special tribunal should be the result of joint efforts of the international community.

He added that a resolution of the Dutch Parliament was adopted in October calling for the creation of the special tribunal in The Hague.

"In our opinion, it is a very good and correct initiative. At the moment, the key question is: how and what should be done to create the special tribunal," he emphasized.

Korynevych believes that cooperation with the International Criminal Court (ICC) is also very important for Ukraine.

"I am convinced that the International Criminal Court should show good results regarding the investigation into the situation in Ukraine, it has all the tools for this. We absolutely support active cooperation with the ICC. The special tribunal will complement the work of the ICC. We see the special tribunal as a complementary mechanism to the ICC regarding the crime of aggression against Ukraine, a crime over which the ICC has no jurisdiction in our specific situation," he said.

The diplomat emphasized that the crime of aggression against Ukraine "is the most obvious one since the end of World War II. This crime of aggression against Ukraine cannot be left unanswered because then it would mean that any dictator can do similar things whenever he wants realizing that he will not be brought to justice for this and everything will be limited to the responsibility of middle-level commanders for committing war crimes or crimes against humanity."

Therefore, it is in the interests of the international community not to ignore the crime of aggression against Ukraine.

"We believe and are convinced that investigating and bringing to justice for the crime of aggression is the fastest and most effective way to reach the highest political and military leadership of the Russian Federation," Korynevych emphasized.

As reported, Ukraine took the initiative to create special tribunal to prosecute members of the Russian Security Council for the crime of aggression against our state.

President Volodymyr Zelensky formed a working group led by Head of the President’s Office Andriy Yermak to deal with the issue of creating special international tribunal to hold those guilty of aggression against Ukraine to account.

The creation of such a tribunal was supported by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, the European Parliament, the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, and the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly.

Kyiv considers several options for creating the special tribunal, one of which is based on an agreement between Ukraine and the UN which can adopt a relevant resolution.

I think the Ukrainian version of Mossad is going to be very busy over the next few years. 

[welshbairn]

18 hours ago, jagfox said:

 

 

If that's true they'll wreck it before leaving, hopefully just making it inoperable rather than a radioactive time bomb.

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[TxRover]

18 hours ago, Dev said:

//bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/11/22/israel-to-russia-well-supply-ballistic-missiles-to-ukraine-if/

An extract from this article:

"Israel has issued an ultimatum to Russia: if Moscow does not stop buying Iranian weapons, be it drones or missiles, Jerusalem will seriously consider supplying Kyiv with high-precision ballistic missiles. The Israeli media also wrote about this ultimatum, and in an extended material, the topic was touched on by the Israeli TV channel Kan-11.

A source from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs also spoke about the same. According to him, says Military Monitoring, the head of Israel’s Security Council, Mr. Eyal Hulata, issued the same warning to his Russian counterparts."

Anyone have any info on what these can do e.g. range, ground fire/air-fired etc. Thoughts on what they could do to affect the war?

 

Israel has three different types of “ballistic missile” in service/available. I expect they mean LORA, 280-400 km range, with a 570 kg warhead. The other two options would likely mean Russian action against, Israel, as the Jericho 2 and 3 are a whole different class (IRBM and MRBM). The 2 has 1,500-3,500 km range and a 1,000 kg warhead…the 3 has 4,800-6,500 km range and a payload of up to 1,300 kg. Either could easily strike Moscow from Ukraine, making those unlikely choices…but the LORA was a wildcat program, is solid fueled, and can be launched from an ordinary looking shipping container.

All are ground launched. Provision of LORA missiles to Ukraine would significantly diminish the security of Russian supply lines,

[LongTimeLurker]

8 hours ago, jagfox said:

 

The Turkish version of HIMARS. There's some talk that it might have a recently upgraded range of 150 km, which would bring all of Vlad's Crimean land bridge into range:

 

 

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