ICTChris Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 As it says in the thread, that warhead contains 180,000 tungsten balls like this You can see them hitting the ground after the strikes - as above, terrifying. It's a more humane warhead as it doesn't use clustered munitions, avoiding civilian casualties when unexploded bombs are left after the strike. Not so humane if it's fired at your vehicle of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanDrake88 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Don’t see how any side can back down from here. Genuinely think it could be ww3 in the coming months 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 41 minutes ago, dorlomin said: The loyalties of things like the GRU (that run the Spetsnaz that you may have heard of) I think most people on here will have heard of the GRU after their fascination for the height of Salisbury Cathedral was revealed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, NathanDrake88 said: Don’t see how any side can back down from here. Genuinely think it could be ww3 in the coming months wOrLd WaR sHrEeEeEe!!!11 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, NathanDrake88 said: Don’t see how any side can back down from here. Genuinely think it could be ww3 in the coming months With Korea, Vietnam and the Gulf Wars we must be on WW7 or 8 by now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandcowden Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, jagfox said: With Korea, Vietnam and the Gulf Wars we must be on WW7 or 8 by now? The clues in the "ww" bit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, highlandcowden said: The clues in the "ww" bit Napoleonic War was probably WW1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, highlandcowden said: The clues in the "ww" bit Those conflicts involved combatants from various continents and not to mention the weapons and materiel supplied to fight them. More limited theatre of operations but still World wide efforts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 52 minutes ago, ICTChris said: As it says in the thread, that warhead contains 180,000 tungsten balls like this You can see them hitting the ground after the strikes - as above, terrifying. It's a more humane warhead as it doesn't use clustered munitions, avoiding civilian casualties when unexploded bombs are left after the strike. Not so humane if it's fired at your vehicle of course. Let’s see, first strike was 4 rockets, or 180,000 x 4 = 720,000 of those little bb’s smothering the area…nasty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: Napoleonic War was probably WW1 I'll raise you Genghis Khan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: Napoleonic War was probably WW1 Alexander the Great fought his way to India haha 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Is this the biggest war since WW2? Here's the Wiki page of conflicts in Europe since then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe#20th_century The biggest war in Europe has been the Bosnian War, which lasted three years and saw over 100,000 killed. This was part of other ongoing wars - the Croatian War of Indepdence was related and saw around 20,000 killed. All these wars also saw ethnic cleansing, war crimes and genocide. No-one really knows how many were killed in the wars in Chechnya - estimates for the first conflict (94-96) say 50,000-100,000 died. The Second Chechen war saw estimates of 20,000 to 200,000 killed. By the scale of the conflict - two large states fighting each other with conventional military forces, I don't think there's anything comparable in my memory or lifetime, certainly not in Europe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Definitely biggest European theatre of conflict since WW2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 If you look outside Europe, the Iran-Iraq War is forgotten but was fought on a massive scale, saw huge forces attacking on massive fronts. It saw chemical weapons, huge political scandals, the intervention of world powers, strange alliances (Israel Islamic Republic of Iran) and the only ever recorded helicopter dog fights in modern warfare. It's also massively important in Iran, where the IRI regime have used it almost as a foundational myth of the state. It also lead to the first Gulf War and then arguably sowed the seeds of the invasion of Iraq. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, jagfox said: Alexander the Great fought his way to India haha And his soldiers ruled Egypt for another 300 years.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, welshbairn said: And his soldiers ruled Egypt for another 300 years.. I think there was a small Greek community in Crimea and dotted around the Black Sea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Even after WW1 there were local conflicts between emerging states and some of the larger powers. Not too mention the Russian Civil War which almost had an exchange between the US and Bolshevik Russia in the far east. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, ICTChris said: If you look outside Europe, the Iran-Iraq War is forgotten but was fought on a massive scale, saw huge forces attacking on massive fronts. It saw chemical weapons, huge political scandals, the intervention of world powers, strange alliances (Israel Islamic Republic of Iran) and the only ever recorded helicopter dog fights in modern warfare. It's also massively important in Iran, where the IRI regime have used it almost as a foundational myth of the state. It also lead to the first Gulf War and then arguably sowed the seeds of the invasion of Iraq. The Iran Iraq war was a weird one in superpower rivalry terms as whereas Iran had most of its military hardware supplied by the West, and Iraq by the Soviet Union, both America and the USSR backed Iraq in the war with resupply and intelligence. Much of the Iranian hardware was useless because of lack of parts and they were reduced to sending young volunteers to clear minefields by running across them. This last bit sounds like propaganda but I think it's true. Iran got their revenge by persuading the neocons to invade Iraq through agents like Chalabi, killing off Saddam, handing over proxy rule to Iran and sinking the US into a hugely expensive quagmire. Edited October 10, 2022 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, jagfox said: I think there was a small Greek community in Crimea and dotted around the Black Sea. There still is in the villages around Mariupol, hopefully... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, welshbairn said: There still is in the villages around Mariupol, hopefully... I think one of the military commanders in the defence of Mariupol was a Greek Ukrainian . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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