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As it says in the thread, that warhead contains 180,000 tungsten balls like this

The new M30A1 Guided MLRS Alternate Warhead to replace cluster bombs 002

You can see them hitting the ground after the strikes - as above, terrifying.

It's a more humane warhead as it doesn't use clustered munitions, avoiding civilian casualties when unexploded bombs are left after the strike.  Not so humane if it's fired at your vehicle of course.

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41 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

The loyalties of things like the GRU (that run the Spetsnaz that you may have heard of)

I think most people on here will have heard of the GRU after their fascination for the height of Salisbury Cathedral was revealed.

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10 minutes ago, NathanDrake88 said:

Don’t see how any side can back down from here. Genuinely think it could be ww3 in the coming months 

With Korea, Vietnam and the Gulf Wars we must be on WW7 or 8 by now? 

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19 minutes ago, highlandcowden said:

The clues in the "ww" bit

Those conflicts involved combatants from various continents and not to mention the weapons and materiel supplied to fight them. More limited theatre of operations but still World wide efforts. 

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52 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

As it says in the thread, that warhead contains 180,000 tungsten balls like this

The new M30A1 Guided MLRS Alternate Warhead to replace cluster bombs 002

You can see them hitting the ground after the strikes - as above, terrifying.

It's a more humane warhead as it doesn't use clustered munitions, avoiding civilian casualties when unexploded bombs are left after the strike.  Not so humane if it's fired at your vehicle of course.

Let’s see, first strike was 4 rockets, or 180,000 x 4 = 720,000 of those little bb’s smothering the area…nasty.

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Is this the biggest war since WW2?

Here's the Wiki page of conflicts in Europe since then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe#20th_century

The biggest war in Europe has been the Bosnian War, which lasted three years and saw over 100,000 killed.  This was part of other ongoing wars - the Croatian War of Indepdence was related and saw around 20,000 killed.  All these wars also saw ethnic cleansing, war crimes and genocide.

No-one really knows how many were killed in the wars in Chechnya - estimates for the first conflict (94-96) say 50,000-100,000 died.  The Second Chechen war saw estimates of 20,000 to 200,000 killed.

By the scale of the conflict - two large states fighting each other with conventional military forces, I don't think there's anything comparable in my memory or lifetime, certainly not in Europe.

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If you look outside Europe, the Iran-Iraq War is forgotten but was fought on a massive scale, saw huge forces attacking on massive fronts.  It saw chemical weapons, huge political scandals, the intervention of world powers, strange alliances (Israel 🤝 Islamic Republic of Iran) and the only ever recorded helicopter dog fights in modern warfare.

It's also massively important in Iran, where the IRI regime have used it almost as a foundational myth of the state.  It also lead to the first Gulf War and then arguably sowed the seeds of the invasion of Iraq.

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14 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

And his soldiers ruled Egypt for another 300 years..

I think there was a small Greek community in Crimea and dotted around the Black Sea.

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Even after WW1 there were local conflicts between emerging states and some of the larger powers. Not too mention the Russian Civil War which almost had an exchange between the US and Bolshevik Russia in the far east. 

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25 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

If you look outside Europe, the Iran-Iraq War is forgotten but was fought on a massive scale, saw huge forces attacking on massive fronts.  It saw chemical weapons, huge political scandals, the intervention of world powers, strange alliances (Israel 🤝 Islamic Republic of Iran) and the only ever recorded helicopter dog fights in modern warfare.

It's also massively important in Iran, where the IRI regime have used it almost as a foundational myth of the state.  It also lead to the first Gulf War and then arguably sowed the seeds of the invasion of Iraq.

The Iran Iraq war was a weird one in superpower rivalry terms as whereas Iran had most of its military hardware supplied by the West, and Iraq by the Soviet Union, both America and the USSR backed Iraq in the war with resupply and intelligence. Much of the Iranian hardware was useless because of lack of parts and they were reduced to sending young volunteers to clear minefields by running across them. This last bit sounds like propaganda but I think it's true. Iran got their revenge by persuading the neocons to invade Iraq through agents like Chalabi, killing off Saddam, handing over proxy rule to Iran and sinking the US into a hugely expensive quagmire. 

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