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Just been sent a video allegedly from Lyman, of pigs eating a dead Russian soldier. It looks pretty grim there, and there's certainly rumours of a massacre of Russian forces who were fleeing the town.

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1 hour ago, MONKMAN said:

Just been sent a video allegedly from Lyman, of pigs eating a dead Russian soldier. It looks pretty grim there, and there's certainly rumours of a massacre of Russian forces who were fleeing the town.

If true about the massacre, I'm not sure if Russian propagandists will play it up to get people riled up, or cover it up so the conscripts and their families don't shit themselves. 

P.S. Unless there was a deal for them to put their arms down and retreat unmolested, I think the normal thing in war is to keep attacking a retreating enemy so they don't just regroup and attack again. The horrors of the Road to Basra come to mind.  

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There are photos and videos purportedly from Lyman that are absolutely horrific. Some reports said that the Russian forces trying to escape the town were funnelled into a ‘kill zone’ and then hit with artillery strikes but it’s difficult to confirm from the videos, which show the aftermath of individual strikes. It could be that there are a few videos being widely shared or it could be that there has been heavy losses for Russians leaving Iyman. 

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50 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

If true about the massacre, I'm not sure if Russian propagandists will play it up to get people riled up, or cover it up so the conscripts and their families don't shit themselves. 

P.S. Unless there was a deal for them to put their arms down and retreat unmolested, I think the normal thing in war is to keep attacking a retreating enemy so they don't just regroup and attack again. The horrors of the Road to Basra come to mind.  

Yip no surrender then you must still keep attacking a retreating force or else they come back and cause problems for you later

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2 hours ago, MONKMAN said:

Just been sent a video allegedly from Lyman, of pigs eating a dead Russian soldier. It looks pretty grim there, and there's certainly rumours of a massacre of Russian forces who were fleeing the town.

 

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You need a functioning fighting force with supplies and ammunition in order to conduct an orderly retreat. The Russians left in Lyman didn't have that, so it's basically a rout as soon as they tried to leave, and it's inevitably going to turn into a bloodbath if the Ukrainians do anything more than stand and watch them go.

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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

If true about the massacre, I'm not sure if Russian propagandists will play it up to get people riled up, or cover it up so the conscripts and their families don't shit themselves. 

P.S. Unless there was a deal for them to put their arms down and retreat unmolested, I think the normal thing in war is to keep attacking a retreating enemy so they don't just regroup and attack again. The horrors of the Road to Basra come to mind.  

The earlier Russian actions in this war make it very difficult to see the Ukrainians exercising restraint unless the Russians are actually surrendering. They have, so far, done a good job of getting prisoners into safety and using them for propaganda purposes to encourage more to surrender. A retreating soldier who doesn’t surrender is a valid target, but it doesn’t make it any less distasteful.

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The Ukranians will do nothing of the sort because of the Rape & Torture the Russians have inflicted. If you surrender, then under the Geneva Convention you must be treated as POWs,, so they must be held until you can prove they are guilty of War Crimes or if they cannot be found guilty then they must be released.The usual arseholes on here will squeal "prove it" & deflect all day while defending the evil, murderous roid raging piece of shit that is Putin.

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3 minutes ago, TxRover said:

The earlier Russian actions in this war make it very difficult to see the Ukrainians exercising restraint unless the Russians are actually surrendering. They have, so far, done a good job of getting prisoners into safety and using them for propaganda purposes to encourage more to surrender. A retreating soldier who doesn’t surrender is a valid target, but it doesn’t make it any less distasteful.

That's the reality of the situation unfortunately, although it doesn't make it any easier on the poor b*****ds who got blasted into chuck beef. Sounds like they left it too late to retreat in an orderly manner and were left with one road out which turned into a shooting gallery.

The Ukrainians will have taken the view that it's better to kill them now than let them regroup and have to kill them later at a patentially higher cost to themselves...sounds heartless, but after the recent revelations in Izyum and elsewhere, it's unlikely they're in a charitable mood.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Moomintroll said:

The Ukranians will do nothing of the sort because of the Rape & Torture the Russians have inflicted. If you surrender, then under the Geneva Convention you must be treated as POWs,, so they must be held until you can prove they are guilty of War Crimes or if they cannot be found guilty then they must be released.The usual arseholes on here will squeal "prove it" & deflect all day while defending the evil, murderous roid raging piece of shit that is Putin.

The actual f**k you on about?

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20 minutes ago, Hillonearth said:

That's the reality of the situation unfortunately, although it doesn't make it any easier on the poor b*****ds who got blasted into chuck beef. Sounds like they left it too late to retreat in an orderly manner and were left with one road out which turned into a shooting gallery.

The Ukrainians will have taken the view that it's better to kill them now than let them regroup and have to kill them later at a patentially higher cost to themselves...sounds heartless, but after the recent revelations in Izyum and elsewhere, it's unlikely they're in a charitable mood.

 

 

There have been reports that they asked their superiors for permission to retreat earlier, but were denied as it would undermine Putin's victory extravaganza at the Kremlin. 

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36 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:

The actual f**k you on about?

Replying to what TxRover was saying, if you don't like your beloved Roid rage boy being critised for unleashing his army of war criminal rapists then you can f**k off.

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4 minutes ago, Moomintroll said:

Replying to what TxRover was saying, if you don't like your beloved Roid rage boy being critised for unleashing his army of war criminal rapists then you can f**k off.

We're talking about the rights and wrongs of the Ukrainians massacring retreating Russian soldiers, if it happened. 

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7 minutes ago, Moomintroll said:

Replying to what TxRover was saying, if you don't like your beloved Roid rage boy being critised for unleashing his army of war criminal rapists then you can f**k off.

 

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3 hours ago, MONKMAN said:

Just been sent a video allegedly from Lyman, of pigs eating a dead Russian soldier. It looks pretty grim there, and there's certainly rumours of a massacre of Russian forces who were fleeing the town.

 

 

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We're talking about the rights and wrongs of the Ukrainians massacring retreating Russian soldiers, if it happened. 
Not sure there's a "wrong" in it really.... Retreating in the context really just means moving a fighting force from one position to a better position. We're not talking about massacring guys under a white flag here, or guys who were running off with their tail between their legs.
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