Russian invasion of Ukraine

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Detournement said:

I don't think that Russia intended to take Kiev (population 2.5m) in a week  with 10,000 soldiers, no. 

 

The attempt to take Hostomel Airport and the 40 mile convoy heading South from Belarus makes me think differently. They thought they'd fold once the leadership had been shipped off to a Gulag or killed.

[Gordon EF]

43 minutes ago, Detournement said:

It's better to look at what they are actually doing than what some paid for analyst tells you they should be doing. This week they are destroying some of Ukraine's strongest defensive fortifications and inflicting huge casualties. 

A lot of stories are simply to keep people from realising that arming and financing Kiev has brought no benefits to us or the Ukranian people or stopped Russia from realising its objectives. 

[Detournement]

19 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

If you turn your telly to BBC1 tonight at 6pm you will be told by the state broadcaster that war in Ukraine is driving double digit inflation which will continue for the whole of next year. You will be told this has forced the BoE to increase interest rates. 

The constant fake news about Ukraine's outlook in the war is to make British consumers feel their economic sacrifice is at least having some sort of positive impact. 

[Billy Jean King]

If you turn your telly to BBC1 tonight at 6pm you will be told by the state broadcaster that war in Ukraine is driving double digit inflation which will continue for the whole of next year. You will be told this has forced the BoE to increase interest rates. 
The constant fake news about Ukraine's outlook in the war is to make British consumers feel their economic sacrifice is at least having some sort of positive impact. 

Who's got the Chemical Ali gif ? Jesus wept man you need to step away from the internet, that's just crazy talk.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

 

[Hillonearth]

1 hour ago, Stringer Bell said:

 

They're taking pelters for it, to be fair.

"You were asking for it, Ukraine...look at the way you were dressed..."

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

Has a respected charity ever Ratnered themselves like this before?

[welshbairn]

The idea that it's all going swimmingly for Putin and he would have still invaded in February if he'd known Russia would still be fighting in Donbas and retreating on all other fronts, Nord Stream 2 never to be connected, Europe making every move it can to end reliance on Nord Stream 1 and Russian imports in general, and struggling to find sources for the components he needs to replace and maintain his rapidly diminishing military hardware... 

Edited August 4, 2022 by welshbairn

[The Other Foot]

5 hours ago, Detournement said:

If you turn your telly to BBC1 tonight at 6pm you will be told by the state broadcaster that war in Ukraine is driving double digit inflation which will continue for the whole of next year. You will be told this has forced the BoE to increase interest rates. 

The constant fake news about Ukraine's outlook in the war is to make British consumers feel their economic sacrifice is at least having some sort of positive impact. 

It’s always the ones with ‘My Team: Scotland’

[vikingTON]

The West's chosen 'good guys' showing their true colours when someone has the temerity to apply objective analysis to their military's antics:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/05/zelenskiy-and-envoys-attack-amnesty-report-on-endangering-civilians-in-russia-crossfire

The Amnesty report did not engage in moral equivalence and explicitly highlighted multiple cases of Russian targeting of civilian areas where there were no Ukrainian military present. It also directly condemned the Russian military's conduct since the beginning of the conflict. Yet even this is not enough because Any Scrutiny Of Ukraine Is Now Fascism. 

[steve55]

11 hours ago, virginton said:

The West's chosen 'good guys' showing their true colours when someone has the temerity to apply objective analysis to their military's antics:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/05/zelenskiy-and-envoys-attack-amnesty-report-on-endangering-civilians-in-russia-crossfire

The Amnesty report did not engage in moral equivalence and explicitly highlighted multiple cases of Russian targeting of civilian areas where there were no Ukrainian military present. It also directly condemned the Russian military's conduct since the beginning of the conflict. Yet even this is not enough because Any Scrutiny Of Ukraine Is Now Fascism. 

Correct:

 

 

[steve55]

Just now, steve55 said:

Correct:

 

 

 

[Newbornbairn]

Dunno if you've noticed but civilians have been military targets for the Russians since Day One. It's not Ukrainians endangering civilians, it's the Russians who have launched an unprovoked war of aggression and are committing brutal war crimes without hesitation - even rewarding units who raped and murdered their way through Bucha. 

 

If the Russians fucked off back into their box, no Ukrainian civilians would be in danger. 

[bennett]

The Ukrainians are defending their homeland,  the Russians are invading.

 

Amnesty can do one. 

 

[vikingTON]

59 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said:

Dunno if you've noticed but civilians have been military targets for the Russians since Day One. It's not Ukrainians endangering civilians, it's the Russians who have launched an unprovoked war of aggression and are committing brutal war crimes without hesitation - even rewarding units who raped and murdered their way through Bucha. 

 

If the Russians fucked off back into their box, no Ukrainian civilians would be in danger. 

Both Ukrainian and Russian forces are deliberately putting civilians at risk of harm, in breach of the humanitarian codes of war. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp, but here we are. 

[vikingTON]

4 minutes ago, bennett said:

The Ukrainians are defending their homeland,  the Russians are invading.

 

Amnesty can do one. 

 

Why is it necessary to set up in a school or medical centre miles behind the front line, in order to effectively 'defend' their homeland? Be extremely specific. 

Good to see that Western defence of freedom being exposed as a sham, as soon as a NGO does its job in investigating and reporting violations in a conflict zone.

[Newbornbairn]

Whataboutery on a P&B thread? Well I never. 

[Bairnardo]

You can't simultaneously have sympathy for the situation Ukrainse are in and also point out that their acts or omissions are putting people in harms way unnecessarily?

Ukraine aren't in a "can do no wrong" situation here. Using your army in a defensive effort doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever the f**k you want? Wer surely not suggesting that are we? Because even without knowing about the specifics of what was said, that's once again, the absolute Facebook Maw style flavour I am getting here.

[vikingTON]

5 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said:

Whataboutery on a P&B thread? Well I never. 

Yep, your mewling about Amnesty's report without addressing any of the clear violations flagged by it is indeed a textbook example of that. 

Have you even read the report?

[bennett]

If the Ukrainians are defending urban areas then they're obviously going to place forces there, all Amnesty have done is given the Russians an excuse to continue targeting civilians. 

 

 Obviously I'm not a qualified clever person like V.kington.