Newbornbairn Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 redditsave.com_russia_vs_ukraine_battle_map_of_3_months_of_war-e14jcepnbe491-240.mp4 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Grim. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 This lines up with what has been said on Telegram for a few weeks now. It's crazy that Ukraine isn't retreating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Detournement said: This lines up with what has been said on Telegram for a few weeks now. It's crazy that Ukraine isn't retreating. When you say "crazy" in this situation it strikes as quite odd that you've never applied the same language for the thousands of Russians that have been put through the meat grinder and have forward marched "to Kiev" into death and oblivion. I'd say based on what we've seen so far although unfortunate that Ukraine are willing to take such losses over territory and wider tactical ambitions it's objectively far less crazy than what's already happened. People defending their land and dying = crazy. People invading others land and dying = Realpolitik Edited June 9, 2022 by Albus Bulbasaur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 26 minutes ago, Detournement said: It's crazy that Ukraine isn't retreating. Not really. We're not sending billions upons billions of weaponry for them to do stuff like retreating or negotiating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Ervin H Burrell said: Not really. We're not sending billions upons billions of weaponry for them to do stuff like retreating or negotiating. Surely "we" would also be content if Ukraine negotiated a peace settlement on their terms no? I doubt the US or UK would agitate for more war if Ukraine was content and Russia has left Ukraine. Edited June 9, 2022 by Albus Bulbasaur 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: Surely "we" would also be content if Ukraine negotiated a peace settlement on their terms no? I doubt the US or UK would agitate for more war if Ukraine was content and Russia has left Ukraine. I think the West is perfectly content to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermik Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 44 minutes ago, Ervin H Burrell said: Not really. We're not sending billions upons billions of weaponry for them to do stuff like retreating or negotiating. Do agree with this. Only thing is though, to me, I just think that all these supplied weapons have already been paid for by each individual country and they are all just desperate to see them deployed on a battlefield that does not involve them. If certain weapons are effective then the supplying countries will buy more but if they’re duffers then they won’t buy them. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 On 08/06/2022 at 21:06, jagfox said: Its crazy that Russia isnt retreating. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Ukrainians are not fighting because we asked them too. Only Putin arse lickers claim that. They are fighting because they want too. Its their country. We have provided them a small portion of the weapons they needed to even up the material difference to match their moral willingness to fight Russia's huge material superiority. They want to fight the Russians. Only a c**t would pretend otherwise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Ervin H Burrell said: I think the West is perfectly content to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. I think the same applies if you swap out "the West" with Ukraine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermik Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, dorlomin said: Ukrainians are not fighting because we asked them too. Only Putin arse lickers claim that. They are fighting because they want too. Its their country. We have provided them a small portion of the weapons they needed to even up the material difference to match their moral willingness to fight Russia's huge material superiority. They want to fight the Russians. Only a c**t would pretend otherwise. Only one O in to champ. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkay said: Its crazy that Russia isnt retreating. That's made up nonsense though. It's an average of 300 Russian soldiers a day during the war which is unrealistic considering the fire power advantage Russia holds. The confirmed POW ratio taking into account unequal exchanges is currently 10 Ukranians to every 1 Russian. That obviously includes the big surrenders in Mariupol but it's possible there are also 10,000 Ukranian KIA just from that one city. Ukraine continually sending territorial units to the front lines in Donbass to get slaughtered by artillery and Russian special forces with hi tech equipment is about international PR more than the national interest. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: I think the same applies if you swap out "the West" with Ukraine. Aye. There's undoubtedly hundreds of thousands of brave folk willing to do that. There's probably others that are desperate for a ceasefire and for this war to end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 On 05/06/2022 at 14:44, Richey Edwards said: Sometimes I wonder if the Nazis did actually win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Ervin H Burrell said: Aye. There's undoubtedly hundreds of thousands of brave folk willing to do that. There's probably others that are desperate for a ceasefire and for this war to end. I agree and feel like the Russians are definitely feeling the same way. I'd imagine defending your homeland is probably slightly more motivational than invading another territory and I don't think Ukraine needs the West to push them into doing so at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 The simple solution to all this ongoing death and devastation would be for Russia to immediately get the f**k out of all Ukrainian territory. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 8 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said: Grim. They should have said they were only visiting the town to see the 123m church spire. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 8 hours ago, dorlomin said: Ukrainians are not fighting because we asked them too. Only Putin arse lickers claim that. They are fighting because they want too. Its their country. We have provided them a small portion of the weapons they needed to even up the material difference to match their moral willingness to fight Russia's huge material superiority. They want to fight the Russians. Only a c**t would pretend otherwise. Couldn't both be true? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: I agree and feel like the Russians are definitely feeling the same way. I'd imagine defending your homeland is probably slightly more motivational than invading another territory and I don't think Ukraine needs the West to push them into doing so at this point. Ukraine doesn't need the West pushing them into a forever war that leaves their state destroyed and their military entirely dependent on foreign aid, but here we are. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/09/it-is-in-the-best-interests-of-ukraine-and-the-west-to-end-this-war-as-soon-as-possible 10 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkay said: Its crazy that Russia isnt retreating. Because Russia is historically adverse to the principle of trading soldiers' lives for territorial/strategic gains. That hot take could only emerge from a society whose armies prefer to hide behind the Channel and get others to fight, until they can step in for the victory lap. Edited June 10, 2022 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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