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3 hours ago, Boo Khaki said:

So it's not only Soviet-era armour that's prone to ammunition cook-offs then :blink:

You look at pictures of those ships and there are these huge missile containers hanging on the outer edge of the deck. Really big pieces of kit: 5 tonnes total, 1 tonne high explosive warhead, 12 metres long and turbojet powered which presumably means liquid fuel rather than solid propellant (much more inflammable, Western Navies tend to avoid where possible) hit those and I guess you have a big boom...

Still though, fire control is one of those less exciting but utterly vital elements of design in a warship. After Sheffield, the UK got extremely serious about it. Doubt the Russians gave it the same amount of thought.

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12 minutes ago, renton said:

Still though, fire control is one of those less exciting but utterly vital elements of design in a warship. After Sheffield, the UK got extremely serious about it. Doubt the Russians gave it the same amount of thought.

Pity they didn't think about it for high flats.

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2 hours ago, renton said:

You look at pictures of those ships and there are these huge missile containers hanging on the outer edge of the deck. Really big pieces of kit: 5 tonnes total, 1 tonne high explosive warhead, 12 metres long and turbojet powered which presumably means liquid fuel rather than solid propellant (much more inflammable, Western Navies tend to avoid where possible) hit those and I guess you have a big boom...

Still though, fire control is one of those less exciting but utterly vital elements of design in a warship. After Sheffield, the UK got extremely serious about it. Doubt the Russians gave it the same amount of thought.

Soviet-era warships were assessed as being one-strike wonders - survive long enough to get your shot off.  Damage control was always secondary.  Western navies take a more balanced view.

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26 minutes ago, The DA said:

Soviet-era warships were assessed as being one-strike wonders - survive long enough to get your shot off.  Damage control was always secondary.  Western navies take a more balanced view.

I've had a few shags like that.......

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16 hours ago, dirty dingus said:

What are the predictions for the upcoming months? There seems to be a few folk that know a bit about this warfare business on here. I seen Zelensky has been asking for more arms from the west and now the Russians have regrouped in eastern Ukraine and supposedly resupplying for a further assault...

Don't claim to be a huge expert on this but if they couldn't take Kiev with the element of surprise it's difficult to believe that a blitzkrieg all the way through to Lviv is happening now. If the Ukrainians can get their economy to be somewhat functional again think that means this could potentially drag on for years. At that point a lot probably depends on how quickly Germany & co can be persuaded to stop buying Russian fossil fuels.

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39 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Ships are just big targets waiting to get sunk. They don't make in a sense in a conflict where missiles can travel 100s of km. 

They are supposed to have sophisticated anti-missile systems though. From what's being said on twitter, the radar system only covered 180 degrees so the Ukrainians sent out a TB2 drone and then hit the Moskva from its radar blind spot.

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