Guest Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Instead of all the nonsensical "Z" = NAZI stuff, here's the real reason which would surely have been obvious to most, https://hindustannewshub.com/world-news/russian-military-marking-why-z-o-v-x-and-a-are-written-on-russian-army-vehicles-know-the-meaning-of-all-these-here/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: 21 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They'd be happy with taking Odessa and linking it up with Transnistria, and blocking Ukraine from the Black Sea entirely. Ukraine couldn't accept that though as they're dependent on bulk shipping for their trade. A landlocked Ukraine is a fucked Ukraine. Losing Odessa would be a horrible blow for the country. If Russia could hold it they'd be delighted. I think they'll try to take it to use a concession for a deal to their liking, and hold on to it if no deal is reached. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Steven W said: Sounds preferrable to Nuclear War to me Then in a few years time Putin decides that he wants more... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, Loonytoons said: There were probably a fair few yanks that thought wiping out Trump would have been a good idea. If it had really happened and it was thought the Russians were involved, there would have been a meltdown. I never suggested the Americans take him out - hopefully there is a plot to finish him from within Russia. Unlikely, but you live in hope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, Aladdin said: Plus, Putin is against "Western liberal woke culture" so they right on the same side when it comes to the culture wars, a priority of the right wing. Add in that Russia and China are so far from socialism/communism, essentially both being authoritarian capitalist states, that they don't need to worry about being labelled as being part of the red menace. One problem for some of the traditional left in the UK is that many of them still have some romanticised notion of Russia as being some sort of communist/Marxist superstate. They can’t accept that it is anything but, and they are nothing like as critical of Russia as they should be right now. 25 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: Yeah it's fascinating to watch, I often thought some of the QAnon type stuff was people taking the piss and they were fully self aware until it dawned on me that I'm the naive one and the pepe the frog/wojak/incel/sigma grindset giga chads stuff is actually melting some peoples brains to the point they have completely irrational points of view and disregard any form of critical analysis. Next US elections should be a good laugh... Loosely related I saw on Twitter some Russian Orthodox church leader effectively accusing the West of genocide in countries where they refuse to hold gay parades which isn't too far away from the whole "snowflakes spending too much time on gender recognition" Western argument I've seen a few weirdos raise. I think there was a significant amount of piss taking to start with, but a lot of people didn’t realise it was pisstaking and eventually it just became their version of the truth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 27 minutes ago, Aladdin said: Plus, Putin is against "Western liberal woke culture" so they right on the same side when it comes to the culture wars, a priority of the right wing. Add in that Russia and China are so far from socialism/communism, essentially both being authoritarian capitalist states, that they don't need to worry about being labelled as being part of the red menace. I think you can be Socialist leaning and still be against all the "woke / cancel" culture. Freedom of speech means that you have to let people have their opinions even if they are different from your own, unfortunately that now seems out the window which in my book makes these types much worse than those they accuse of being the bad guys in their eyes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Zelensky should offer a counteroffer of a hobos dickcheese. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Instead of all the nonsensical "Z" = NAZI stuff, here's the real reason which would surely have been obvious to most, https://hindustannewshub.com/world-news/russian-military-marking-why-z-o-v-x-and-a-are-written-on-russian-army-vehicles-know-the-meaning-of-all-these-here/ Yes, that’s where the ‘Z’ came from originally. It has been hastily turned into a symbol for support for the war among the Putin regime and supporters, as the thread linked to several times discussing it makes clear from the outset. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, ICTChris said: Yes, that’s where the ‘Z’ came from originally. It has been hastily turned into a symbol for support for the war among the Putin regime and supporters, as the thread linked to several times discussing it makes clear from the outset. Christ, does that mean we'll soon no longer be able to use the letter "Z" ever again ?? It's the bloke from Police Academy I feel for..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Just now, WATTOO said: Christ, does that mean we'll soon no longer be able to use the letter "Z" ever again ?? It's the bloke from Police Academy I feel for..... That's Zorro fcuked. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, WATTOO said: I think you can be Socialist leaning and still be against all the "woke / cancel" culture. Freedom of speech means that you have to let people have their opinions even if they are different from your own, unfortunately that now seems out the window which in my book makes these types much worse than those they accuse of being the bad guys in their eyes. There has to be limits. That’s why it’s correct to outlaw racial and homophobic abuse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Of course the Pie & Bovril moral compass gimps aren't against triggering the event which would lead to nuclear armageddon - something that would obviously really help the Ukrainians. Thankfully, the NATO leadership are giving their repeated calls for this the massive wide berth it deserves, despite now outright guilt-tripping over it. Clearly, though, that must mean they're against providing any sort of support which would actually help Ukraine...If you could contain your ongoing plot-loss to the Covid thread, that would be lovely Paulo. Cheers. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, WATTOO said: I think you can be Socialist leaning and still be against all the "woke / cancel" culture. Freedom of speech means that you have to let people have their opinions even if they are different from your own, unfortunately that now seems out the window which in my book makes these types much worse than those they accuse of being the bad guys in their eyes. "Woke" just means any viewpoint that isn't socially conservative; old fashioned liberalism. It hasn't just been invented because the right picked up a new word for it. Edited March 7, 2022 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Everything is preferable to nuclear war, it doesn’t mean that what you allow a deranged megalomaniac to do should have no limits. Mrs Danger has been saying this for decades. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ross. said: One problem for some of the traditional left in the UK is that many of them still have some romanticised notion of Russia as being some sort of communist/Marxist superstate. They can’t accept that it is anything but, and they are nothing like as critical of Russia as they should be right now. I remember a friend who had a similar problem with Yugoslavia. In WW2, the Croats were allied with the Nazis while Serbia was not. Therefore, he believed Serbia could do no wrong whereas Croats would quickly turn into Nazis given half a chance. In short, he refused to accept that Milosovic was a warmonger who wasn't remotely interested in communism or socialism or anything at all except staying in power and controlling as much territory as possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 57 minutes ago, Ross. said: Russian money and intelligence has been getting poured into US and UK politics for the last couple of decades. The alt right and all that goes with it are the result. They have been getting conditioned to do what they are doing. I have a real problem squaring the idea that the same Russian state that forgot vehicles need fuel and have generally clown-shoed their way through the invasion of Ukraine has been puppet-mastering western politics in some Machiavellian grand plan for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 The level of cringe I feel when someone uses "woke" in day to day conversation is increasing by the day. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 The Ukrainians are claiming they hit the Russian Navy Project 22160 patrol ship Vasily Bykov last night with MLRS fire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkay said: Hope this little facist c**t got taken round the back by the Ukrainian gold medallist and got his little facist face well and truly panned in. f**k that daft wee chode and his zwostika 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 The level of cringe I feel when someone uses "woke" in day to day conversation is increasing by the day. Thank f*ck......... I am not alone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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