coprolite Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Canada officially irrelevant 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Yeah, the Ukrainians should stop being “tiresome and irritating”. You fucking halfwit. 4 hours ago, coprolite said: We must clamp down on desperate pleas for help. They're vey annoying. 3 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkay said: Oh here we fucking go. 3 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said: "shan skuffles" imo Of course the Pie & Bovril moral compass gimps aren't against triggering the event which would lead to nuclear armageddon - something that would obviously really help the Ukrainians. Thankfully, the NATO leadership are giving their repeated calls for this the massive wide berth it deserves, despite now outright guilt-tripping over it. Clearly, though, that must mean they're against providing any sort of support which would actually help Ukraine... Edited March 7, 2022 by Elixir -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 If Russia organised a pub crawl it would still be better attended than Grimbo's. Just let that sink in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, coprolite said: Canada officially irrelevant They come under The Commonwealth, no need to list them all, just the UK is sufficient. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 34 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: It's an absolute guarantee that Blue Lives Matter/MAGA/Canadian trucker types are going to be all over that Z symbol in addition to their red baseball caps. The thing I've found the most bizarre with this war is how the 'Murican right wing nutters that have spent the past 50 years being paranoid about Russia and anything even slightly connected are now in awe of Putin and actually supporting some of the actions because strongman is strong or something. Did Trump really fry their brains that bad, is this a common thing amongst the Republicans or is it perhaps more fringe group stuff that gets unweighted traction on social media? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Elixir said: Of course the Pie & Bovril moral compass gimps aren't against triggering the event which would lead to nuclear armageddon - something that would obviously really help the Ukrainians. Thankfully, the NATO leadership are giving their repeated calls for this the massive wide berth it deserves, despite now outright guilt-tripping over it. Clearly, though, that must mean they're against providing any sort of support which would actually help Ukraine... I'm sure this means something in your head. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Rather than going after the Baltics, which doesn't seem worth it yet strategically and comes with the risk of NATO raining destruction upon St Petersburg, surely the Russians' next target would be Moldova, a soft touch with troops already there and in touching distance of the Bessarabian gap?Maybe then they could think about the Suwalki gap and the Baltics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Russias terms, according to Peshkov - Recognition of Crimea as Russian - Recognition of LPR and DPR as independent states - Constitutional neutrality for Ukraine. Obviously they decided to do without deNazification and demilitarisation m, happy to have drug addicts and neo-Nazis in charge in Kyiv. Ukrainian side have said that they are open to discussions on neutrality. There isn’t anything that will change Crimeas status now. The foreign ministers of Russia and Ukraine are going to meet in Turkey in three days for talks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: Rather than going after the Baltics, which doesn't seem worth it yet strategically and comes with the risk of NATO raining destruction upon St Petersburg, surely the Russians' next target would be Moldova, a soft touch with troops already there and in touching distance of the Bessarabian gap? Maybe then they could think about the Suwalki gap and the Baltics. A full Russian invasion of Moldova would surely bring them into a direct war with Romania? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: The thing I've found the most bizarre with this war is how the 'Murican right wing nutters that have spent the past 50 years being paranoid about Russia and anything even slightly connected are now in awe of Putin and actually supporting some of the actions because strongman is strong or something. Did Trump really fry their brains that bad, is this a common thing amongst the Republicans or is it perhaps more fringe group stuff that gets unweighted traction on social media? Russian money and intelligence has been getting poured into US and UK politics for the last couple of decades. The alt right and all that goes with it are the result. They have been getting conditioned to do what they are doing. The surprise for me is the number of folk I know who would always have considered themselves fairly left wing in outlook who have also been caught up in it. If you dare point out the links between Russian money and things like Trump, Brexit, Boris Johnston, Cambridge Analytica, QANON and all the rest, they shut the argument down with things like “You are a sheep and support the war machine and Biden is a paedo” as if that’s the only possible reason you could disagree with them on anything. It’s pretty fucking bizarre and also amazing at the same time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 A full Russian invasion of Moldova would surely bring them into a direct war with Romania?Possibly, but invasion of the Baltics would guarantee a direct war with NATO. Russias terms, according to Peshkov - Recognition of Crimea as Russian - Recognition of LPR and DPR as independent states - Constitutional neutrality for Ukraine.Strangely weak terms for an initial bargaining position. You'd think that's the absolute minimum they'd settle for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Russias terms, according to Peshkov - Recognition of Crimea as Russian - Recognition of LPR and DPR as independent states - Constitutional neutrality for Ukraine. Obviously they decided to do without deNazification and demilitarisation m, happy to have drug addicts and neo-Nazis in charge in Kyiv. Ukrainian side have said that they are open to discussions on neutrality. There isn’t anything that will change Crimeas status now. The foreign ministers of Russia and Ukraine are going to meet in Turkey in three days for talks. That's exceptionally lenient compared to what the rhetoric has been. Crimea is Russia to all intents and purposes now, it's never going back and most folk thought they'd want Luhansk and Donetsk as absolute minimums. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: A full Russian invasion of Moldova would surely bring them into a direct war with Romania? They'd be happy with taking Odessa and linking it up with Transnistria, and blocking Ukraine from the Black Sea entirely. Ukraine couldn't accept that though as they're dependent on bulk shipping for their trade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Ross. said: Russian money and intelligence has been getting poured into US and UK politics for the last couple of decades. The alt right and all that goes with it are the result. They have been getting conditioned to do what they are doing. The surprise for me is the number of folk I know who would always have considered themselves fairly left wing in outlook who have also been caught up in it. If you dare point out the links between Russian money and things like Trump, Brexit, Boris Johnston, Cambridge Analytica, QANON and all the rest, they shut the argument down with things like “You are a sheep and support the war machine and Biden is a paedo” as if that’s the only possible reason you could disagree with them on anything. It’s pretty fucking bizarre and also amazing at the same time. Plus, Putin is against "Western liberal woke culture" so they right on the same side when it comes to the culture wars, a priority of the right wing. Add in that Russia and China are so far from socialism/communism, essentially both being authoritarian capitalist states, that they don't need to worry about being labelled as being part of the red menace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ross. said: Russian money and intelligence has been getting poured into US and UK politics for the last couple of decades. The alt right and all that goes with it are the result. They have been getting conditioned to do what they are doing. The surprise for me is the number of folk I know who would always have considered themselves fairly left wing in outlook who have also been caught up in it. If you dare point out the links between Russian money and things like Trump, Brexit, Boris Johnston, Cambridge Analytica, QANON and all the rest, they shut the argument down with things like “You are a sheep and support the war machine and Biden is a paedo” as if that’s the only possible reason you could disagree with them on anything. It’s pretty fucking bizarre and also amazing at the same time. Yeah it's fascinating to watch, I often thought some of the QAnon type stuff was people taking the piss and they were fully self aware until it dawned on me that I'm the naive one and the pepe the frog/wojak/incel/sigma grindset giga chads stuff is actually melting some peoples brains to the point they have completely irrational points of view and disregard any form of critical analysis. Next US elections should be a good laugh... Loosely related I saw on Twitter some Russian Orthodox church leader effectively accusing the West of genocide in countries where they refuse to hold gay parades which isn't too far away from the whole "snowflakes spending too much time on gender recognition" Western argument I've seen a few weirdos raise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 If by "a country" you mean it's citizens, there's literally no way to gauge what the average man on the street thinks. Obviously those protesting aren't believing the propaganda and you'd have to believe that far more people would like to protest but would rather not face the consequences. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of Russians who could see by now that it wouldn't be a bad thing. Not to mention that number will now be rising by the day. There were probably a fair few yanks that thought wiping out Trump would have been a good idea.If it had really happened and it was thought the Russians were involved, there would have been a meltdown. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 34 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Russias terms, according to Peshkov - Recognition of Crimea as Russian - Recognition of LPR and DPR as independent states - Constitutional neutrality for Ukraine. Obviously they decided to do without deNazification and demilitarisation m, happy to have drug addicts and neo-Nazis in charge in Kyiv. Ukrainian side have said that they are open to discussions on neutrality. There isn’t anything that will change Crimeas status now. The foreign ministers of Russia and Ukraine are going to meet in Turkey in three days for talks. Sounds preferrable to Nuclear War to me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Aladdin said: Add in that Russia and China are so far from socialism/communism, essentially both being authoritarian capitalist states, that they don't need to worry about being labelled as being part of the red menace. Yeah, Russia can no longer be portrayed as the Communist bogey man. Mind you the USA under the Republicans is far removed from a liberal democracy. Far more uniting Putin and the rabid right* of the USA than divides them. * I recall when this term was not applicable to the majority mainstream Republicans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 They'd be happy with taking Odessa and linking it up with Transnistria, and blocking Ukraine from the Black Sea entirely. Ukraine couldn't accept that though as they're dependent on bulk shipping for their trade.A landlocked Ukraine is a fucked Ukraine. Losing Odessa would be a horrible blow for the country. If Russia could hold it they'd be delighted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Steven W said: Sounds preferrable to Nuclear War to me Everything is preferable to nuclear war, it doesn’t mean that what you allow a deranged megalomaniac to do should have no limits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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