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6 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

The world is absolutely fucked tbh. 

 

We're a very long way from that right now.

This should end in Ukraine providing NATO stay out of getting involved in the conflict.

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1 hour ago, Dee Man said:

I hope Vlad nukes Falkirk and Maryhill, although no-one would probably notice any difference in Maryhill tbf. 

Can tell it's been a while since you've seen Falkirk.

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So this big old tank column.  Why is it not a smouldering pile of wreckage like the road to Basra?  Is it a psy op thing to let the Russians know and even the troops in the tanks know that they could be wiped out soon.

 

Its hardly likely that the Ukrainians will just let them trundle on down to Kiev.

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9 minutes ago, Detournement said:

I doubt it. 

It took three weeks for the Iraq War invasion to be 'won' and that was in a smaller country, with very little defence technology and no intelligence capabilities, when the invaders were using shock and awe tactics and destroying as much civilian infrastructure as possible. 

That's because we spent so long on an air war first.

Once boots went on the ground it was all over very quickly.

Putin sent boots in on day one and that was a clear mistake on his part.

Strategically he should have had an air campaign to force Ukraine into the cities and then simply encircled the cities and starved them out.

But this is a guy who likes to be seen waggling his cock about. That might well be his downfall.

Russia are very lucky that Ukraine have no airforce.

That 40 miles convoy, apparently containing most of Russia's armed forces, is just a sitting duck for aerial bombardment.

If NATO had been involved, that entire convoy would have been wiped out in hours.

 

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4 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

We're a very long way from that right now.

I've just been reading this thread from the start and stating personal opinions as facts is probably not a very good idea tbphwy. There is nothing that can be confidently predicted right now.

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2 minutes ago, Lofarl said:

So this big old tank column.  Why is it not a smouldering pile of wreckage like the road to Basra?  Is it a psy op thing to let the Russians know and even the troops in the tanks know that they could be wiped out soon.

 

Its hardly likely that the Ukrainians will just let them trundle on down to Kiev.

I can only assume Ukraine don't have the capability to wipe it out and nobody else is stepping in to provide air support.

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3 minutes ago, Lofarl said:

So this big old tank column.  Why is it not a smouldering pile of wreckage like the road to Basra?  Is it a psy op thing to let the Russians know and even the troops in the tanks know that they could be wiped out soon.

 

Its hardly likely that the Ukrainians will just let them trundle on down to Kiev.

I was thinking today how there has been a disappointing lack of roadside IEDs. I was yearning for the good old days of the Iraq war. 

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8 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

but i do believe that the US has some kind of statutory obligation to defend Taiwan, which essentially gives it NATO protection without the status. 

It's not (as far as I'm aware but it's been a while since I've covered this) written in stone that the US will actively defend Taiwan. It's vague language about providing them with the means to defend themselves without expressly stating that they'll intervene. "Strategic ambiguity" has been the policy since 1979.

They had to backtrack on Biden's comments a few months ago about a "commitment" to Taiwan. 

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1 hour ago, virginton said:

It's not whataboutery, it is a very straightforward test of your assertion that a state has the free right to choose its alliance and nobody else in the international community can object. As opposed to your bluster afterwards, which is both whataboutery and an enormous word salad. 

So answer the question(s) please: Taiwan in NATO - yes or no, and why? 

Drivel.

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3 minutes ago, Dee Man said:

I've just been reading this thread from the start and stating personal opinions as facts is probably not a very good idea tbphwy. There is nothing that can be confidently predicted right now.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that @Inanimate Carbon Rodcan tell the difference between me stating a fact and me stating an opinion without me insulting his intelligence by spelling it out.

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8 minutes ago, Dee Man said:

I was thinking today how there has been a disappointing lack of roadside IEDs. I was yearning for the good old days of the Iraq war. 

Moved on from IEDs m8. It’s all drones and cyber warfare these days. Fucking millenials.

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2 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

 

Russia are very lucky that Ukraine have no airforce.

That 40 miles convoy, apparently containing most of Russia's armed forces, is just a sitting duck for aerial bombardment.

 

Ukraine does have air power, they have been using it pretty well all things considered.  They also seem capable of downing Russian helicopters and their air defence is still operational.  They seem to be using their drones as well.  For how much longer this continues is another thing.

I assume that the big convoy is well protected against drones, air strikes, artillery etc.

Reports that Ukrainian forces in Mariupol are now encircled.

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3 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Reports that Ukrainian forces in Mariupol are now encircled.

I reckon the Greeks will break out and send a runner to Sparta for assistance, only to find out it's now a Water Park.

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5 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I reckon the Greeks will break out and send a runner to Sparta for assistance, only to find out it's now a Water Park.

Bit of a jog from Mariupol to Sparta.

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10 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Reports that Ukrainian forces in Mariupol are now encircled.

Time to destroy the port installations and sink a few blockships.

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4 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Bit of a jog from Mariupol to Sparta.

They could always try Spartak on the suburbs of Donetsk, might not be too helpful.

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