Florentine_Pogen Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: US sending 31 Abrams to Ukraine. Edited January 25, 2023 by Florentine_Pogen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: US sending 31 Abrams to Ukraine. Basically a tiny gesture considering the US have 3700 in storage and 2500 active even the yanks supplied Egypt with 1360 of them according to Wiki. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: Basically a tiny gesture considering the US have 3700 in storage and 2500 active even the yanks supplied Egypt with 1360 of them according to Wiki. HIMARS started off with just 4 and numbers soon ballooned from there. A year ago very few people in the west thought the Ukrainians could win a war against Russia, so it was all about giving them the tools to make victory so pyrrhic that Vlad would think twice about moving any further. The latest decisions are a big step towards making it possible for Ukraine to try to retake Luhansk and Donetsk cities and the Crimean peninsula. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 There are large amounts of Leopard tanks in storage too. Interesting thread, he is still working on the cons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 I’m sure there are people who know more than me on this but apparently it takes ages to train people on the Abrams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: I’m sure there are people who know more than me on this but apparently it takes ages to train people on the Abrams. Said on news they would be removing complicated systems and some other upgrades to simplify them and get training done quicker. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 31 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: Said on news they would be removing complicated systems and some other upgrades to simplify them and get training done quicker. Like a Dacia Duster, I like it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deegee Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 As a 53 year old man, I’ve watched this “special military mission” these past 11 months and always thought that it had potential to escalate due to the characters and history of all concerned directly and on the sidelines. I was half looking forward (a year ago) to a decade of proper work then maybe a gig in Asda or B&Q to finance my alcoholic habit in older age. Guess I’ll be in a modern day Dads Army by summertime the way it looks at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, deegee said: As a 53 year old man, I’ve watched this “special military mission” these past 11 months and always thought that it had potential to escalate due to the characters and history of all concerned directly and on the sidelines. I was half looking forward (a year ago) to a decade of proper work then maybe a gig in Asda or B&Q to finance my alcoholic habit in older age. Guess I’ll be in a modern day Dads Army by summertime the way it looks at the moment. You stupid boy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deegee Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, ICTChris said: Like a Dacia Duster, I like it. My other half bought a Dacia last year. I don’t think she’d be any worse a driver if you gave her a USA Abrams tank to cut about with thb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deegee Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: You stupid boy. Don’t tell them your name Pike! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deegee Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 I was in the Territorial Army for a couple of years in the late 80s. Purely a hobby and my way of getting some military stories to bore the old WW2 vets with in the pub at the time, without the risk of going to Yugoslavia, Falklands, Ireland or anywhere “tasty” at the time. I remember doing NBCW (nuclear biological chemical warfare) drills in full nuclear kit and gas masks in Barry Budden and watching videos on the Soviet commandos, Spetzeks who we would resist and kill if they parachuted in! I still remember thinking I’d either die in the first 30 secs of invasion or I’d be an unashamed collaborator! Self preservation kicked in at a youthful teenage age. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Can I just say that I have formed an unnatural curiosity about @Leggy Blonde who always seems to be lurking on this thread when I’m here? A 12 year member, less than a post a week on average and located in North America. Could it be that the CIA are formulating the US Foreign policy based on the musings of a couple of dozen middle aged alcoholic sad sacks in the middle of the North Atlantic? Spoiler Raith Rovers? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 germany has said that the Leopards will be delivered late March. I wonder if this will change the timings around potential offensives from either side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 2 hours ago, ICTChris said: germany has said that the Leopards will be delivered late March. I wonder if this will change the timings around potential offensives from either side. IF the crews are trained pre-delivery IF the tanks get delivered without incident IF the ammo situation is sorted before deployment THEN there’s a small chance of an impact, but honestly, no. I don’t expect Ukraine to start another offensive into prepared Russian positions in the Spring. The Leopards (and Abrams) are both much heavier than the Russian T-90’s, T-80’s and T-72’s, so they will be more constrained in the thawing environment too. I’d expect Ukraine to plan to counter Russian attacks, let them draw down supplies and troops before countering in the drier summer months. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 53 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: Sure thats not a Polish cougar? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 On 25/01/2023 at 18:04, MONKMAN said: US sending 31 Abrams to Ukraine. PnB have tanks, spare tanks at that ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy Blonde Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 23 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: PnB have tanks, spare tanks at that ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur daley Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 On 26/01/2023 at 15:26, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: Kat slater on tour 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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