highlandcowden Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 36 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I was wondering if he's terminally ill and doesn't give a f**k. Or that Prigozhyn's got some seriously powerful enemies. perhaps the way wagner have apparantly treated convict "volunteers" has made enemies of the leks for them.could have serious consequences for any of them in the future away from the frontlines 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: He seems nice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 48 minutes ago, highlandcowden said: perhaps the way wagner have apparantly treated convict "volunteers" has made enemies of the leks for them.could have serious consequences for any of them in the future away from the frontlines Think you mean zeks? It's more the thieves-in-law they appear to have antagonised and who are talking up Prigozhin's alleged status in the Russian prison system as they have rules about never helping the state in any way so are probably not enthralled by the idea of prisoners joining Wagner to fight for Vlad. On a completely different note this is big if confirmed and actually followed through upon: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 A U.S. ‘ally’ fired a $3 million Patriot missile at a $200 drone. Spoiler: The missile won. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said: Think you mean zeks? It's more the thieves-in-law they appear to have antagonised and who are talking up Prigozhin's alleged status in the Russian prison system as they have rules about never helping the state in any way so are probably not enthralled by the idea of prisoners joining Wagner to fight for Vlad. On a completely different note this is big if confirmed and actually followed through upon: 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: A U.S. ‘ally’ fired a $3 million Patriot missile at a $200 drone. Spoiler: The missile won. Problem, Patriots don’t do well versus the majority of threats Ukraine faces. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 A U.S. ‘ally’ fired a $3 million Patriot missile at a $200 drone. Spoiler: The missile won.I assume the ally was Israel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 16 hours ago, welshbairn said: A U.S. ‘ally’ fired a $3 million Patriot missile at a $200 drone. Spoiler: The missile won. This headline perfectly demonstrates how the military industrial complex works. The 'success' here isn't destroying the target, it's using up some expensive military hardware and generating new orders for more. See also bombing Toyota Hiluxes in the desert with F-15s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Zetterlund said: This headline perfectly demonstrates how the military industrial complex works. The 'success' here isn't destroying the target, it's using up some expensive military hardware and generating new orders for more. See also bombing Toyota Hiluxes in the desert with F-15s. Don't underestimate the Hilux, have you learned nothing from Top Gear? Edited November 30, 2022 by Sergeant Wilson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Is it not better to compare the cost of what the £200 drone will destroy versus the £3m missile? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 51 minutes ago, Zetterlund said: This headline perfectly demonstrates how the military industrial complex works. The 'success' here isn't destroying the target, it's using up some expensive military hardware and generating new orders for more. See also bombing Toyota Hiluxes in the desert with F-15s. As its relevant to the current situation in Ukraine, the value of air defence is not in what it brings down, but what it protects. Drones worth a few tens of thousands of dollars brought 5% of the worlds oil production off line in 2019 when Houthis attacked a Saudi refinery. Ukraine has been using old and cheap technology like Igla's and Geperards (and old Soviet shoulder fired AA missile and German radar gun system respectively). The current trend is for much cheaper systems to fill the gap in capabilities, various "C-RAM" type projects like turning naval defence guns into land based systems and the Israeli Iron Dome type small AA missile system. We had decades of air defence systems being set up to defend against increasingly sophisticated and faster targets, but now there is a huge push to meet cheap, low cost saturation attacks as has been suffered by Ukraine. Meeting these is not a technological problem, but one of insufficient fabrication capacity. Like many of the problems they are facing, we just dont make enough of the simpler kinds of stuff, relying on world leading technology. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 This story prompted me - a first - to Google the location. Mind blowing that you can see such detail but, from whenever the Google image was taken, there doesn't seem that much difference in activity between then and what NOEL is reporting as a massive escalation... https://www.google.com/maps/place/Engel's/@51.4803374,46.2154295,2030m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x37762c169746165c!8m2!3d51.4869293!4d46.211779 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, alta-pete said: This story prompted me - a first - to Google the location. Mind blowing that you can see such detail but, from whenever the Google image was taken, there doesn't seem that much difference in activity between then and what NOEL is reporting as a massive escalation... https://www.google.com/maps/place/Engel's/@51.4803374,46.2154295,2030m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x37762c169746165c!8m2!3d51.4869293!4d46.211779 He's probably referring to the close ups of people who look like they're loading missiles onto the planes. I find Noel a bit creepy though, so I'd be happy if he's wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 "It's a soldier's life for me, happy as can be!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 48 minutes ago, welshbairn said: "It's a soldier's life for me, happy as can be!" Not the smartest move, unless he has disabled geolocation tagging on his device… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Okay Ted... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Is caraaaaazy Ted Cruz even still a hing...? I thought he was soooo pre-Trump era...! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Ghana and South Korea just provided some schadenfreude for those of us old enough to remember the 1986 World Cup. Meanwhile back on the steppe, there's some talk that Russia is gearing up for another "goodwill gesture": Think it's a wee bit farfetched because of what it does to the Crimean land bridge: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Lots of "diplomacy" type news stories appearing now with Biden getting his neb in. Time for talks nearing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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