Newbornbairn Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 They will be now they've shipped the locals off to the Gulags. Quote Two million Ukrainian citizens, including hundreds of thousands of children, have been “forcibly removed” from Ukrainian territory and taken to Russia since the war began, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said last week. In the same address, before the Asian Leadership Conference in Seoul, South Korea, Zelenskyy said citizens in Ukrainian territory occupied by Russian forces had been interrogated, and those considered insufficiently loyal to Russia were being taken in large numbers to “re-education” camps in Russia. “Just imagine this number — 2 million people,” he said. “That’s how many of our people have already been taken to Russia.” https://www.grid.news/story/global/2022/07/21/the-ukraine-war-in-data-hundreds-of-thousands-of-ukrainians-forcibly-removed-from-their-land-to-russia/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Foot Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 4 hours ago, steve55 said: The Areas you speak of are 95% Russian BTW From what I’ve seen, this barely matters anymore. A good proportion of the refugees we have welcomed into Ireland were pro-Russian back in the days of Maidan, but - as they bore witness to the crimes perpetrated by the Russians - found themselves identifying as Ukrainian 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Turns out the AI report that VT was fapping himself into a frenzy about was released by the head office against the advice of the AI people on the ground - 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 VT was fapping himself into a frenzyFuxake. Never mind hiding troops amongst civilians, conjuring that mental image should be a war crime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Newbornbairn said: Turns out the AI report that VT was fapping himself into a frenzy about was released by the head office against the advice of the AI people on the ground - I think you have to refer to it as a special masturbatory operation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Interesting translation of an interview with Ruslan Pukhov, head of a think tank closely aligned with the Russian MoD. I think he has a position within the Russian MoD. https://wartranslated.com/russian-defence-research-expert-on-afu-performance-the-effect-of-western-weapon-supplies/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Reading your posts, you seem to be significantly more outraged that Ukraine simply won't lie down the the Russians so that you can get your energy and petrol bills down a bit than the fact that the Russians have invaded an independent country without provocation. It's an odd read TBH.Not to defend VT here really, but since when was it a requirement to state where your outrage lies before using a discussion forum to discuss emerging news on the worlds current defining issue?This is more child logic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 It's Ukrainian land.Not any more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 16 hours ago, oaksoft said: Reading your posts, you seem to be significantly more outraged that Ukraine simply won't lie down the the Russians so that you can get your energy and petrol bills down a bit than the fact that the Russians have invaded an independent country without provocation. Personally, I'd much rather the West's involvement was to have been getting both parties round a table and working towards thrashing out a ceasefire agreement rather than actively prolonging a conflict that is having (and will continue to have for the foreseeable) devastating consequences both at home and in Ukraine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 40 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Personally, I'd much rather the West's involvement was to have been getting both parties round a table and working towards thrashing out a ceasefire agreement rather than actively prolonging a conflict that is having (and will continue to have for the foreseeable) devastating consequences both at home and in Ukraine. Quote 28 FEB, 16:20 Macron talks to Putin, calls for ceasefire in Ukraine — Elysee Palace https://tass.com/world/1413443 Quote Ukraine's President Urges Cease-Fire, Urgent Peace Talks https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-macron-putin-talks-tensions/31712282.html Quote Macron, Xi Discuss Urgent Need for Ukraine Ceasefire https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-10/macron-xi-discuss-urgent-need-for-ukraine-ceasefire-elysee Quote BERLIN, March 10 (Reuters) - German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and French President Emmanuel Macron demanded an immediate ceasefire in a call with Russian President Vladimir Putin, said a German government official. https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-germany-france-idUKS8N2QT0B0 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Personally, I'd much rather the West's involvement was to have been getting both parties round a table and working towards thrashing out a ceasefire agreement rather than actively prolonging a conflict that is having (and will continue to have for the foreseeable) devastating consequences both at home and in Ukraine. Isn't that what Turkey have been trying to do? They have sent drones to Ukraine but also kept relations open with Russia and have been successful regarding the grain. More likely that a natural partner of Russia fulfilled that role than UK/US/EU. If Merkel has still been in power it would have been a different story. Edited August 9, 2022 by 101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 hours ago, 101 said: Isn't that what Turkey have been trying to do? They have sent drones to Ukraine but also kept relations open with Russia and have been successful regarding the grain. More likely that a natural partner of Russia fulfilled that role than UK/US/EU. If Merkel has still been in power it would have been a different story. I was meaning a more neutral stance overall. Not supplying weapons to one side whilst sanctioning the other. That is not a neutral stance and also has no real bargaining power as you have already played your hand. The arrogant West believed their sanctions would force Russia to quickly abandon hostilities, but that didn't work and the only real result is soaring domestic inflation caused by massive energy price increases. It's in absolutely no-one's best interests to maintain this conflict, yet the deep rooted anti-Russian sentiment means the only option considered is to support Ukraine at all cost. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 To be fair, people have tried to negotiate with Russia but they've been found to have not acted in good faith (temporary cease fires, humanitarian corridors, no longer bombing major population centres etc.) And maybe, just maybe, anti-Russian sentiment isn't helped by the fact that they have fucking invaded another country? 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, Salvo Montalbano said: To be fair, people have tried to negotiate with Russia but they've been found to have not acted in good faith (temporary cease fires, humanitarian corridors, no longer bombing major population centres etc.) And maybe, just maybe, anti-Russian sentiment isn't helped by the fact that they have fucking invaded another country? This argument doesn't hold up as nobody gives a f**k when anyone else invades their neighbour. How high are we, the public, prepared to allow our energy bills to climb for the sake of Ukraine? -12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: This argument doesn't hold up as nobody gives a f**k when anyone else invades their neighbour. How high are we, the public, prepared to allow our energy bills to climb for the sake of Ukraine? If we yield against Ukraine why wouldn't Russia continue and escalate aggression in Georgia and maybe look to open a land bridge between Russia or Belarus and Kaliningrad? Governments and companies deserve stick from over reliance on single countries, there are things the UK government can and should be doing and should have done since the invasion began, in the early days it was all about metrics. However I don't think you can allow an energy super power to act with impunity and with Americas self sufficiency I don't think they will. Especially considering they call the shots internationally on a near universal basis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, 101 said: If we yield against Ukraine why wouldn't Russia continue and escalate aggression in Georgia and maybe look to open a land bridge between Russia or Belarus and Kaliningrad? Governments and companies deserve stick from over reliance on single countries, there are things the UK government can and should be doing and should have done since the invasion began, in the early days it was all about metrics. However I don't think you can allow an energy super power to act with impunity and with Americas self sufficiency I don't think they will. Especially considering they call the shots internationally on a near universal basis. Firstly, that's not really our problem, is it? We wouldn't be yielding against Ukraine anyway - Regional conflicts in the former Soviet Bloc are not ours to police. Secondly, you didn't answer the most important question as far as you or I are concerned - How high are we, the public, prepared to allow our energy bills to climb for the sake of Ukraine? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Firstly, that's not really our problem, is it? We wouldn't be yielding against Ukraine anyway - Regional conflicts in the former Soviet Bloc are not ours to police. Secondly, you didn't answer the most important question as far as you or I are concerned - How high are we, the public, prepared to allow our energy bills to climb for the sake of Ukraine? If you asked the public if energy bills would go back to normal if Ukraine lost the war, they would demand we send weapons to Russia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: If you asked the public if energy bills would go back to normal if Ukraine lost the war, they would demand we send weapons to Russia. Again, aside from being a ludicrously hypothetical scenario, this dodges the question. How high are we, the public, prepared to allow our energy bills to climb for the sake of Ukraine? £5k? £6k? £8k? Edited August 9, 2022 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Again, aside from being a ludicrously hypothetical scenario, this dodges the question. How high are we, the public, prepared to allow our energy bills to climb for the sake of Ukraine? £5k? £6k? £8k? What you going to do about it? Send a STRONGLY WORDED email to Putin? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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