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6 hours ago, ICTChris said:

Thread about the bridge attack allegedly by a military engineer involved in the attack.

Unsure if it’s bona fide, there are quite a few accounts claiming to be soldiers or volunteers that are clearly bullshit.

 

No wonder the Russians are getting bodied if they are building bridges out of these

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12 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Vlad is doing a cracking job of stopping NATO getting close to Russian borders.

Brilliant success for western intelligence agencies. Folk have spent years insinuating that Trump was a stooge for the Russians; now it turns out that Putin was a NATO agent all the time.  Genius. 

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25 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Vlad is doing a cracking job of stopping NATO getting close to Russian borders.

Finland and Georgia look likely to be members in the near future. 

Ukraine probably not too long after that depending on what happens in the war.

Leaving just the land borders to the south of Russia with no NATO presence oh and Belarus. This really has gone well for him.

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8 minutes ago, 101 said:

Finland and Georgia look likely to be members in the near future. 

Did you mean Sweden? I can't see them letting Georgia in, it's too remote.

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5 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Did you mean Sweden? I can't see them letting Georgia in, it's too remote.

Sweden might but without a land border with Russia it's probably less significant.

I thought the same but the mood music seems to be improving...

"We believe that Georgia should continue on its Euro-Atlantic path, and whenever Georgia is ready to access NATO, it will do so," NATO special envoy Javier Colomina said.

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1 minute ago, 101 said:

Sweden might but without a land border with Russia it's probably less significant.

I thought the same but the mood music seems to be improving...

"We believe that Georgia should continue on its Euro-Atlantic path, and whenever Georgia is ready to access NATO, it will do so," NATO special envoy Javier Colomina said.

They had that word music about Ukraine too, but they were never going to let a country in that wasn't in full control of its territory, it would mean war with Russia on day one. The Croatian President is already talking about vetoing Finland and Sweden joining, there's no way of Georgia being accepted by all 30 NATO members.

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Sweden (if they decide) and Finland will just be drag and drops into NATO. Their force structures and weapon systems have been standardising round NATO standards for decades. Finland used to buy a lot of USSR kit, operating MiG 21s and the like, but post Cold War they have moved decisively to the western standards. Given both are covered by EU security guarantees this is not really a big "geopolitical shift" as some are trying to make it. Its mostly going to be people in their militaries and defence departments changing job titles and allowing the US and other NATO countries to have a larger footprint in the country. Sweden already operates Patriot batteries, so much of the work of integrating air defence systems has been started. Id assume radio frequencies, codes, IFFs and all the boring stuff NATO actually does has been partially aligned in the past couple of decades of exercises and meetings. So this will just speed up and finish the job of standardising. 

About the one real change is it removes the risk of Russia trying something stupid, like invading parts of Finland or Sweden thinking the EU would not step in, thus dragging in most of NATO anyway. Its not a likely scenario but given how thunderously dumb some of the Russian decisions have been recently, it now makes it clear that they are not reliant on EU security alone, but also NATO explicitly rather than implicitly. 

I think the Baltics and other Scandinavians seem pretty delighted that these two are going to be firmly "in". They are two very well respected countries and have a huge amount of political and cultural connections with those countries. 

The expansion of the EU has been far more significant politically, economically and culturally in the former Soviet bloc regions. A lot of the Russian sense of loss of power is not really about NATO but the EU westernising "the East". Latvia, Poland and Slovakia are hardly crying out to return to a more Russia dominated world compared to Brussels. 

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11 hours ago, ICTChris said:

Thread about the bridge attack allegedly by a military engineer involved in the attack.

Unsure if it’s bona fide, there are quite a few accounts claiming to be soldiers or volunteers that are clearly bullshit.

 

I follow that guy. Hadn't seen that thread til now. He hadn't previously posted much, only sparingly, though did say he was a combat engineer.

On the subject of fakes, that Canadian Ukrainian Volunteer account is defo snide. Comes out with some wild shit. Previously said a Ukr airstrike killed 4,000 Russian troops in one go, then caused a bit of a Twitter storm with a thread that read very much like fan fiction where he claimed to have gone undercover in an occupied city (a legit Ukr fundraising service called him out / distanced themselves from him over that) and then yesterday I saw someone retweet him saying a Russian tank turret flew 3 kilometres from its tank when it was hit by an anti tank rocket, which is patently ridiculous. Definitely a fantasist.

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1 hour ago, Sweet Pete said:

I follow that guy. Hadn't seen that thread til now. He hadn't previously posted much, only sparingly, though did say he was a combat engineer.

On the subject of fakes, that Canadian Ukrainian Volunteer account is defo snide. Comes out with some wild shit. Previously said a Ukr airstrike killed 4,000 Russian troops in one go, then caused a bit of a Twitter storm with a thread that read very much like fan fiction where he claimed to have gone undercover in an occupied city (a legit Ukr fundraising service called him out / distanced themselves from him over that) and then yesterday I saw someone retweet him saying a Russian tank turret flew 3 kilometres from its tank when it was hit by an anti tank rocket, which is patently ridiculous. Definitely a fantasist.

Yeah that is one account that’s definitely bs.

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