ICTChris Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 (edited) Wait until they unleash the sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads. Edited April 27, 2022 by ICTChris 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hillonearth Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 16 minutes ago, jagfox said: Not sure the porpoise of this tbh.... They've got previous for this type of batshittery of course: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, jagfox said: Not sure the porpoise of this tbh.... Are they doing it on porpoise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, Hillonearth said: They've got previous for this type of batshittery of course: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog I see your anti-tank dog and raise you human-ape hybrids - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Ivanov%23Human-ape_hybridization_experiments 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 At a trade meeting yesterday and it's reported Europe only has 6 weeks stock of steel left. Much of the supply comes from the Donbas region of Ukraine. Also shortages of stainless steel and aluminium. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 https://www.economist.com/briefing/how-deep-does-the-rot-in-the-russian-army-go/21808989 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Russia's tanks in Ukraine have a 'jack-in-the-box' design flaw. And the West has known about it since the Gulf war Their BMD-4 infantry fighting vehicle is also described as a "mobile coffin". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, ICTChris said: https://www.economist.com/briefing/how-deep-does-the-rot-in-the-russian-army-go/21808989 Avoiding the paywall... https://archive.ph/2022.04.27-221025/https://www.economist.com/briefing/how-deep-does-the-rot-in-the-russian-army-go/21808989 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, NorthernLights said: I see your anti-tank dog and raise you human-ape hybrids - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Ivanov%23Human-ape_hybridization_experiments That's wild. In terms of scientific usefulness it's right up there in Frankie Boyle "How many fruit pastilles would it take to choke a kestrel?" territory though. Hybridisation between two closely related species is of course possible and happens in nature - there's a bird that visits here in small numbers called the pomarine skua that there's absolutely no evidence of having existed any further back in time than maybe five or six hundred years. Current thinking is that small geographically isolated populations of two other species freely interbred and their offspring produced a third viable species. That being said, given some of the Russians' tactical awareness so far, maybe the experiments were more successful than they let on. Edited April 28, 2022 by Hillonearth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Thread about the Guardian article from Angus Roxburgh, a former PR consultant to the Kremlin. Roxburgh's article is here https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/27/ukraine-war-end-putin-russia-talks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, NorthernLights said: Russia's tanks in Ukraine have a 'jack-in-the-box' design flaw. And the West has known about it since the Gulf war Their BMD-4 infantry fighting vehicle is also described as a "mobile coffin". I honestly think the huge numbers of Russian AFV losses so far are down to a number of factors, it's not just as simple as shite design. I've seen countless videos of Ukranians attacking Russian tanks, mixed convoys of AFV's and soft-skin support stuff, single AFV's etc, and a common theme appears to be absolutely no Russian infantry support anywhere. All AFV's are enormously vulnerable without appropriate support, and there have been egregious examples of it caught on film. In the first few days of the conflict there was the footage of Ukranian standing in the open, not 30 yards away from a BMP broadcasting propaganda, takes his time and obliterates it with an RPG. By contrast, when I have seen Ukranian armour being used against Russian columns, it's invariably working very closely with Ukranian infantry, and usually in tandem with other AFV's, either supporting the armour on one flank, or leading the assault itself while the armour takes potshots from cover and/or concealed positions. If my suspicions are correct, and the Russian armour is not being adequately supported, then not only will that lead to increased losses in itself, but what it also means is any armour that takes a debilitating hit will have to be properly abandoned by crew, they will not be able to remain in the vicinity due to Ukranian boots in the immediate area, and the Russians will not be in any way able to limit the damage to, or recover their broken down armour. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the Russian tanks that are the victim of ammo cook-offs have initially taken damage that is debilitating, but should not be fatal, the crew have bailed, and then a fire has taken hold an burned for a good while before actually causing a detonation. That wouldn't happen nearly as often if Russian infantry held sway over the immediate area, because the crews would be far better able to suppress small fires and so on, and have their support recover the vehicle for repairs. Edited April 28, 2022 by Boo Khaki 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Poorly trained troops stay buttoned up in their steel boxes because they think it's safer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 I don't get the fuss about paying Russia for gas and oil in roubles. What happens with Hungary for example is that they pay Gazprom in Euros as normal at the price agreed, who then convert them into roubles. It would obviously be better if nobody paid them anything but I don't understand the issue with what Gazprom does with their money. Obviously Gazprom buying a load of roubles will prop up their value, but that's always been a choice open to them surely? What am I missing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, jagfox said: Not sure the porpoise of this tbh.... It's when the dolphins leave we have to worry, as Douglas Adams said. Edited April 28, 2022 by The Skelpit Lug 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Lol at the guy calling Chechens TikTok soldiers while doing an interview with Unherd where he is giving shout outs to Elon Musk with a pair of aviators balanced on his bald napper. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Detournement said: Lol at the guy calling Chechens TikTok soldiers while doing an interview with Unherd where he is giving shout outs to Elon Musk with a pair of aviators balanced on his bald napper. Theres an obvious one here about a football forum conspiracy theorist lol'ing at other folks soldiering abilities. I'm soneone will be along to nail it shortly 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I don't get the fuss about paying Russia for gas and oil in roubles. What happens with Hungary for example is that they pay Gazprom in Euros as normal at the price agreed, who then convert them into roubles. It would obviously be better if nobody paid them anything but I don't understand the issue with what Gazprom does with their money. Obviously Gazprom buying a load of roubles will prop up their value, but that's always been a choice open to them surely? What am I missing? The form of payment Russia is demanding allows the Russian Central Bank to control the Euro-Ruble exchange rate and effectively means that the total value of oil and gas sold has to be balanced by Russian entities being able to spend an equivalent amount of Euros in external trade. Given that Russia used to save a fair amount of the Euros in their foreign reserves they are actually getting more in real terms return for the natural assets they are selling than they were prewar. Edited April 28, 2022 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LongTimeLurker Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Detournement said: ... Given that Russia used to save a fair amount of the Euros in their foreign reserves they are actually getting more in real terms return for the natural assets they are selling than they were prewar. What happens to a petrostate that is largely propped up by the money EU countries have been spending on gas imports when those are phased out and the pipeline infrastructure isn't there yet to supply China instead on anything like the same scale? Vlad needed a quick victory with the EU accepting it as a fait accompli. He didn't get it and even Germany is sending Ukraine tanks now... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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