HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 2 hours ago, ICTChris said: Joe Biden confirms the US will supply Ukraine with artillery systems and ammunition, armoured personnel carriers and helicopters. In addition, there are reports a Russian navy cruiser has been hit by an anti-ship missile in the Black Sea. Could be one of the batch that the UK pledged during Johnson’s visit. Is that sell or donate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 This is allegedly the airfield in Kherson. It had previously been shelled by Ukrainian forces destroying a number of Russian helicopters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, bennett said: We're surely not giving them harpoons, that's just taking the P. Inititially I was sceptical, not least because I don't think we'd have the full ground launcher and fire control system just hanging around, and if we were going to reverse engineer any missile onto a ground launcher in short time, it'd be Brimstone - that'd be lethal to Russian armour. Then again Harpoon is being allowed to phase out soon, and with a likely gap until whatever hypersonic weapon we replace it with towards the end of the decade. So, good opportunity to get rid of everything that is near end of shelf life, which is basically what we seem to be doing now. Then re-stock from the special reserve budget without having to manage obsolescence costs across various platforms and fleets. Edited April 13, 2022 by renton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 3 hours ago, bennett said: We're surely not giving them harpoons, that's just taking the P. 4 minutes ago, renton said: Inititially I was sceptical, not least because I don't think we'd have the full ground launcher and fire control system just hanging around, and if we were going to reverse engineer any missile onto a ground launcher in short time, it'd be Brimstone - that'd be lethal to Russian armour. Then again Harpoon is being allowed to phase out soon, and with a likely gap until whatever hypersonic weapon we replace it with towards the end of the decade. So, good opportunity to get rid of everything that is near end of shelf life, which is basically what we seem to be doing now. Then re-stock from the special reserve budget without having to manage obsolescence costs across various platforms and fleets. Could be wrong, but I suspect Bennet might have been referring to traditional harpoons, the kind you snag whales with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoapMactavish Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 So according to Ukrainian and Russian media, the Flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the Slava- class Cruiser Moskva (Moscow) has been hit by missiles and suffered an ammunition explosion and has now been abandoned (read: likely sunk given current weather conditions) Russian Warship, Go f**k Yourself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 So it's not only Soviet-era armour that's prone to ammunition cook-offs then 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Boo Khaki said: So it's not only Soviet-era armour that's prone to ammunition cook-offs then You look at pictures of those ships and there are these huge missile containers hanging on the outer edge of the deck. Really big pieces of kit: 5 tonnes total, 1 tonne high explosive warhead, 12 metres long and turbojet powered which presumably means liquid fuel rather than solid propellant (much more inflammable, Western Navies tend to avoid where possible) hit those and I guess you have a big boom... Still though, fire control is one of those less exciting but utterly vital elements of design in a warship. After Sheffield, the UK got extremely serious about it. Doubt the Russians gave it the same amount of thought. Edited April 14, 2022 by renton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, renton said: Still though, fire control is one of those less exciting but utterly vital elements of design in a warship. After Sheffield, the UK got extremely serious about it. Doubt the Russians gave it the same amount of thought. Pity they didn't think about it for high flats. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Claims it was hit by two Ukrainian Neptune anti ship missles. We'll probably not find out for months. This might rule out an amphibious attack near Odessa. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Pity they didn't think about it for high flats. Entirely agree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) Ouch. Edited April 14, 2022 by renton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, renton said: Ouch. What’s Russian for minter? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkay said: What’s Russian for minter? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budmiester1 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 What’s the difference between an apple and a Russian missile cruiser? Apples float on water 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Happier times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Ships are just big targets waiting to get sunk. They don't make in a sense in a conflict where missiles can travel 100s of km. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 2 hours ago, renton said: You look at pictures of those ships and there are these huge missile containers hanging on the outer edge of the deck. Really big pieces of kit: 5 tonnes total, 1 tonne high explosive warhead, 12 metres long and turbojet powered which presumably means liquid fuel rather than solid propellant (much more inflammable, Western Navies tend to avoid where possible) hit those and I guess you have a big boom... Still though, fire control is one of those less exciting but utterly vital elements of design in a warship. After Sheffield, the UK got extremely serious about it. Doubt the Russians gave it the same amount of thought. Soviet-era warships were assessed as being one-strike wonders - survive long enough to get your shot off. Damage control was always secondary. Western navies take a more balanced view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 26 minutes ago, The DA said: Soviet-era warships were assessed as being one-strike wonders - survive long enough to get your shot off. Damage control was always secondary. Western navies take a more balanced view. I've had a few shags like that....... 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 16 hours ago, dirty dingus said: What are the predictions for the upcoming months? There seems to be a few folk that know a bit about this warfare business on here. I seen Zelensky has been asking for more arms from the west and now the Russians have regrouped in eastern Ukraine and supposedly resupplying for a further assault... Don't claim to be a huge expert on this but if they couldn't take Kiev with the element of surprise it's difficult to believe that a blitzkrieg all the way through to Lviv is happening now. If the Ukrainians can get their economy to be somewhat functional again think that means this could potentially drag on for years. At that point a lot probably depends on how quickly Germany & co can be persuaded to stop buying Russian fossil fuels. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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