saint dave Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: One left Britain to join ISIS and and fight against British soldiers. The other left Britain to join the Ukrainian army to fight against Russian soldiers. So , both left to fight what people perceive as illegal invasions , what's the difference? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, saint dave said: Enlighten me as to where the British army is based in Ukraine? They left in February, now answer the question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint dave Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: They left in February, now answer the question. Are they in Ukraine? Or do you mean deployed to a NATO territory , like Poland ? Edited March 27, 2022 by saint dave 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Dave, where have come from? Ukraine mate, in you come. Muhammad where have you come from? Ukraine, sorry back to Syria. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, saint dave said: The British sell weapons all over the world to basically anyone , are we fighting in Yemen etc? Is it hypcracy your pointing out? Good luck! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint dave Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Just now, Sergeant Wilson said: Dave, where have come from? Ukraine mate, in you come. Muhammad where have you come from? Ukraine, sorry back to Syria. We really are a bunch of two faced c*nts , which was the point I'm trying to make. To some British people , the Iraq war was illegal and felt it was anti-muslim , so they went to fight against that. The guys in the article say they couldn't sit back and watch parts of Europe being illegally invaded , both are doing an illegal act , but , the ex-servicemen who head to Ukraine will receive a different response for the same act. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 There's whataboutery and there's whataboutery but this is just not very good Student Union whataboutery. You might have a point if Brits were going to fight for Russia, but they're not so you don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tight minge Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, saint dave said: Poor equivalence. The government of the time forbade British citizens from fighting in Spain. Will there be the same treatment as was handed to the Isis fighters who left from Britain and were refused help and made stateless for fighting for a foreign army/state? Think that's a fair question. Were the ISIS fighters refused help as they had fought for or aided a proscribed terrorist organisation? The people going over to Ukraine are either enlisting in the Ukrainian army or acting as mercenaries which is not illegal? The rights and wrongs can be argued individually but don’t see them being interchangeable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint dave Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said: There's whataboutery and there's whataboutery but this is just not very good Student Union whataboutery. You might have a point if Brits were going to fight for Russia, but they're not so you don't. You're mixing up whataboutery with fact. Both groups left Britain to take part in a war in other countries , should we just use the law and punishments against those groups we don't like? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint dave Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Tight John McVeigh is a tit said: Were the ISIS fighters refused help as they had fought for or aided a proscribed terrorist organisation? The people going over to Ukraine are either enlisting in the Ukrainian army or acting as mercenaries which is not illegal? The rights and wrongs can be argued individually but don’t see them being interchangeable. It's against British law for a British citizen to fight in a war against a country we are " at peace " with , we aren't at war with Russia ( yet ) which makes it illegal.* Think it's The Enlistment act of 1870/80 , hasn't been repealed. Edited March 28, 2022 by saint dave 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tight minge Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, saint dave said: It's against British law for a British citizen to fight in a war against a country we are " at peace " with , we aren't at war with Russia ( yet ) which makes it illegal.* Think it's The Enlistment act of 1870/80 , hasn't been repealed. Two completely different legal precedents then so not the same. There is also enough legal precedence to say that the enlistment act is irrelevant today and has been for decades. Whether anyone should be prosecuted for going to Ukraine can be open for debate, but it’s a weak (non existent) argument in relation to people who fought for ISIS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Aren't they technically not fighting "a country" as they are against the unrecognised states of Donetsk and Luhansk? Seem to remember reading a few weeks ago that was the official line Putin was coming out with as it allowed Russia to recruit foreign fighters (eg from the "Stan" countries). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: (eg from the "Stan" countries) Seems a bit shady to me. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 26/03/2022 at 02:08, Theroadlesstravelled said: Nah that's you mate. The Houthis are terrorists. Ukrainian civilians are not. Off topic I know, but fucking what?! You could easily have responded to that post without justifying Saudi Arabia's actions in Yemen, rather than indulging in whataboutery yourself. Arguing that causing the worst humanitarian crisis on the planet with several famines, a cholera epidemic, a blockade to stop aid getting in and of course reducing the entire country to rubble with indiscriminate attacks on civilians is somehow justified because "Houthis are terrorists" is somewhere in the region of "the Azov Battalion exists so Ukraine must be denazified". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 11 hours ago, ICTChris said: Right. It'll take him a while getting to Ukraine in a canoe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: It'll take him a while getting to Ukraine in a canoe. Especially as Manila is almost totally landlocked! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Another round of probably failed peace talks starting today in Turkey. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 7 hours ago, saint dave said: It's against British law for a British citizen to fight in a war against a country we are " at peace " with , we aren't at war with Russia ( yet ) which makes it illegal.* Think it's The Enlistment act of 1870/80 , hasn't been repealed. The foreign secretary, who is probably the 3rd most senior politician in the country said it was fine to go off to Ukraine to fight, so I don't see how they could turn round and say actually it was illegal and you shouldn't have gone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Another round of probably failed peace talks starting today in Turkey. So yet again, both sides telling the other to 'get stuffed'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Another round of probably failed peace talks starting today in Turkey. It certainly seems to be taking place on a wing and a prayer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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