101 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 12 hours ago, virginton said: war tactics at this stage in the conflict as beyond the pale of any significant power is just nonsense. Interesting take to file war crimes as war tactics. Yes they are similar to the scenes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Palestine but just because we are used to seeing civilians blown to f**k doesn't make it right. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Russian warship in Berdyansk appears to have been taken out. Reports that it was a Ukrainian ballistic missile. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 58 minutes ago, 101 said: Interesting take to file war crimes as war tactics. Yes they are similar to the scenes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Palestine but just because we are used to seeing civilians blown to f**k doesn't make it right. War crimes requires significant evidence of conscious intent. Fighting a war against an armed opponent in a city is going to lead to significant civilian casualties - or 'collateral damage' as the Yanks prefer to call it - regardless of the army fighting there. That we have built up a completely unrealistic picture of how war should work since 1945 - and have completely ignored all evidence to the contrary from Vietnam through Ethiopia and Armenia in the past 18 months alone - is really not relevant. You cannot launch an international war crimes charge only on countries that the West doesn't like. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: Russian warship in Berdyansk appears to have been taken out. Reports that it was a Ukrainian ballistic missile. Ooft - it's the Orsk, a decent-sized landing ship. There could have been anything up to 20 tanks or 40 AFVs on it when that happened depending on what stage it was at discharging its cargo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hillonearth said: Ooft - it's the Orsk, a decent-sized landing ship. There could have been anything up to 20 tanks or 40 AFVs on it when that happened depending on what stage it was at discharging its cargo. Probably already offloaded. Edited March 24, 2022 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Parachuting out a boat is a bit odd. No wonder they're getting beat. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Probably already offloaded. Aye, the Russians don't come across as all that efficient but you wouldn't imagine it would take even them three days to empty a ship 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, Hillonearth said: Aye, the Russians don't come across as all that efficient but you wouldn't imagine it would take even them three days to empty a ship Aye, empty it first, then park up for a few days r&r. What could go wrong with that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 53 minutes ago, virginton said: War crimes requires significant evidence of conscious intent*. Fighting a war against an armed opponent in a city is going to lead to significant civilian casualties** - or 'collateral damage' as the Yanks prefer to call it - regardless of the army fighting there. That we have built up a completely unrealistic picture of how war should work since 1945*** - and have completely ignored all evidence to the contrary from Vietnam through Ethiopia and Armenia in the past 18 months alone - is really not relevant. You cannot launch an international war crimes charge only on countries that the West doesn't like.*** * Plenty of evidence including footage and information as to what kind of weapons are being used against what kind of targets. ** It's a fucking invasion of a sovereign country, not some equal footing conflict on neutral ground. Civilian casualties, by the very nature of an invasion, will tend to be from the local population - you know, the awkward bastárds defending their homes, families and livelihoods. *** "We"? I'd be interested to know who you think you're speaking on behalf of here, because it certainly isn't me or anyone I know. War, by its very nature, cannot be pursued according to a set of rules. Aggressors will use whatever tactics, weapons and methods will achieve their aims. Defenders will resort to desperation when in extremis. It is never pretty, and cannot be parcelled up neatly in discussions divorced from the reality. **** It would, however, be a start. Once you get Putin and the like convicted, we can maybe, just maybe, start asking those bastions of decency like Blair, Bush, Brown, Trump and Obama how their implementation of Foreign Policy were acceptable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Cruising past Istanbul on the first day of the invasion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Cruising past Istanbul on the first day of the invasion. It looks like one of the tubs you see rusting away in Fraserburgh or Peterhead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Russia Today helpfully pinpointed where to aim the Ukrainian missiles. https://t.me/msgazdiev/784 Quote We filmed unique footage - the Russian large landing ship "Orsk", accompanied by the naval forces of the Black Sea Fleet, entered and unloaded military equipment in the port of Berdyansk. Ukrainian troops that were based in Berdyansk - thousands and thousands of soldiers and sailors - surrendered the port without a fight, leaving the entire infrastructure of the port intact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 30 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Cruising past Istanbul on the first day of the invasion. Quite a few Moscow flights in and out of Istanbul over the past few weeks as well. Im boycotting kebabs (for 2 days) in protest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Russia Today helpfully pinpointed where to aim the Ukrainian missiles. https://t.me/msgazdiev/784 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 The RT guy I quoted above has been posting non stop from day one of the invasion, quite interesting to see what the Russians are being shown. Scroll up instead of down for the timeline. https://t.me/s/msgazdiev 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Russia Today helpfully pinpointed where to aim the Ukrainian missiles. https://t.me/msgazdiev/784 "Thousands and thousands of Ukranian sailors and soldiers moved a bit to the side, so as to avoid the big fuckoff missile" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Sunak seems to have had a sticky time in a Sky interview this morning. When asked about his wife's interests in Infosys, a company still trading in Russia, he took the huff and said he was not there to talk about that. Pesky journalists! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Looks like more than one Russian ship is on fire. The Ukrainian Navyis pretty much non-existent post 2014, when all the ships were captured and large chunk of the forces defected during the Crimea annexation. I don't think they have any real prospect of threatening the Russian ships off Odessa from the sea so an attack like this is quite unexpected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Parachuting out a boat is a bit odd. No wonder they're getting beat. It also explains the heavy losses to Russian paratroopers early in the conflict if they were jumping out of planes in scuba gear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Knopfler Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Boris wants to pocket Putin's stash of gold. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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