Binos Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, AlbionSaint said: What part of my analogy do you dispute? The part I referenced 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Cawdor Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said: Going to have them working on the land, are you? The Captain Oates Brigade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Saint Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) Edited February 23, 2022 by Fife Saint 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/23/putin-narrative-ukraine-master-key-crisis-nato-expansionism-frozen-conflict This is the only analysis I've seen in the UK media that hasn't been cliché-riddled nonsense. It's possible that events on the ground will escalate but this is closest to the mark for what has happened so far this week and why. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 44 minutes ago, AlbionSaint said: The first casualty in war is the truth. I don't trust either side's propaganda media, but if you think the West is somehow virtuous after all the lies they told us about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, more fool you. I don't particularly trust George Galloway either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 How can they afford the gas? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Getting back to important matters... @welshbairn - Udo Kier? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, AlbionSaint said: Galloway (~19.40): "That drooling halfwit, wondering around the corridors of the White House in his pyjamas and his dressing gown, unable to find the bathroom..." He's funny I'll give you that I'll watch rt at times At the moment its unwatchable 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Binos said: He's funny I'll give you that I'll watch rt at times At the moment its unwatchable His masters are certainly getting value for their roubles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, BFTD said: Getting back to important matters... @welshbairn - Udo Kier? Way too young, my doppelganger's probably been dead 20-30 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: His masters are certainly getting value for their roubles. He's the new Lord Haw Haw. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: He's the new Lord Haw Haw. Recently discovered the original was ultra staunch, quietly shipped out of Ireland after helping the Black and Tans murder a nationalist priest as a teenager. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Then why has Russia not already absorbed Belarus, Georgia or Kazakhstan? The same conditions apply to those states and Russian policy differs massively in each case.Putin is not actually playing some post-Soviet version of a Risk map. Because Belarus is a strong ally, and Georgia and Kazakhstan don't border EU states, neither of which apply to Ukraine.When Georgia did cozy up to the EU (and you saw EU flags up all over Georgia before 2010) he invaded and made sure Western powers wouldn't intrude further. There's not been the same level of backing down following Crimea or Donbas, so he's looking for other ways to further his objective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Malkmus Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Don't know if you really want someone who's had 20 years' worth of blows to the head in charge at a time like this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Putin might have had more success at keeping his satellites close if he was better at picking puppets who could keep the locals happy. Lukashenko won't survive in power forever in Belarus and Yanukovych was a terrible pick for Ukraine. He's accused of moving $70 Billion out of the Ukraine treasury while in power. Putin's got a self destructive penchant for greedy men who do what their told. What happens in Kazakhstan could be interesting after we find out was going on with the Nazarbayev family. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/23/viktor-yanukovych-ukraine-secret-documents 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Brilliant performance here from Truss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, AlbionSaint said: Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." That phrase could have made by any observer, from whatever perspective, since 1941. As a gotcha it's profoundly lame. As is your position that seems to be that because America has done some very bad things it's fine for Russia to do similar. It's fine to condemn both. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaspianChris Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 hours ago, AlbionSaint said: I'm not sure an full-scale invasion will take place. Obviously I'm not privy to intelligence and I'm speculating, but I think Russia will only want a few strategic areas - maybe land to the north of Crimea so they can resolve the water problem there, retake the full territory of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, and maybe Odessa. Other eastern oblasts, where Russian is spoken, may also seek independence, so they could be added, but I'm not sure how likely that is. If they do take other territory, I think they'd struggle to maintain it, so besides hunting war criminals I can't see the point. Not sure you are correct after listening to Putins address a couple of days ago he did go on a bit of an insane rant about how Ukraine was Russian territory historically and does not have the right to exist. If that is his mindset then first the Russian supporting areas obviously but then no doubt he will want to go all the way and try to retake the country. Which will result in dreadful losses for the Russians and surely current senior serving Generals would point that out to him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaspianChris Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Looking at flight radar later yesterday afternoon there was RAF and USAF surveillance aircraft over Ukraine at the same time pretty much. The American a bit further eastvthan the RAF one though it would be interesting to know what further information was picked up by them. Would imagine there will be a fair few more such flights to come I imagine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaspianChris Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Talking of USAF surveillance there is a drone over that area of South East Ukraine at the moment again be very interesting to know what intelligence is being gathered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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