Hat trick but not winning

[ICTChris]

Last night Brian Graham scored a hat-trick against The Caley but the game ended 3-3.  Can't be very often that people have scored a hat-trick and not won.

Billy Mckay scored a hat-trick against Dundee Utd for us a few years ago in a 4-4 draw, I can't think of any others although I'm sure someone will be along to correct me.

Dariusz Dziekanowski famously scored four goals for Celtic against Partizan Belgrade only to lose out on away goals.  And in one beloved of all trivia sections in Shoot, Denis Law once scored six goals for Man City against Luton only for the game to be abandoned and City to lose the rearranged fixture.

[Arch Stanton]

Martin Cameron for us and Lee Miller for Falkirk in this game...

http://www.stmirrenprogrammes.co.uk/StMirren/STM_Match_Details.php?Season=2002&GameID=200210260

Joe Harper for Hibs v Celtic in the 6-3 League Cup final (74/75 season).

 

ETA...videos

Edited February 10, 2022 by Arch Stanton

[Ranaldo Bairn]

Richard Cadette scored a hat trick at Tannadice in a 3-3 League Cup draw, which DU went on to win on penalties. 1994 or so.

Edit - video added.

Edited February 10, 2022 by Ranaldo Bairn

[Jacksgranda]

14 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

Martin Cameron for us and Lee Miller for Falkirk in this game...

http://www.stmirrenprogrammes.co.uk/StMirren/STM_Match_Details.php?Season=2002&GameID=200210260

Joe Harper for Hibs v Celtic in the 6-3 League Cup final (74/75 season).

 

ETA...videos

I knew about Joey's losing hattrick, but I've never seen the goals until now.

Buddies should have had 8! 

Edited February 10, 2022 by Jacksgranda

[Arch Stanton]

17 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

And in one beloved of all trivia sections in Shoot, Denis Law once scored six goals for Man City against Luton only for the game to be abandoned and City to lose the rearranged fixture.

The Law Man also scored in the replayed game so 7 goals in the one tie and still on the losing side.

[scottsdad]

Sounds like a topic for The Knowledge in the Guardian. 

[craigkillie]

It happens more often than you'd think. Here are all the ones in major competitions involving Scottish teams since 2010 (note that I may have missed some more recent ones because I've been a bit sloppy in updating this over the last year or so).

Date	Player	Club	Opponent	H/A	Competition	Goals	Match Score	Match Result
03/04/2010	David Witteveen	Greenock Morton	Queen of the South	H	1st Division	3	3-3	D
05/05/2010	Colin Nish	Hibernian	Motherwell	A	SPL	3	6-6	D
30/10/2010	Richard Macadie	Wick Academy	Whitehill Welfare	A	Scottish Cup	3	3-4	L
12/11/2011	Ryan Donnelly	Airdrieonians [2002]	Forfar Athletic	H	2nd Division	3	4-4	D
21/04/2012	Steven Thompson	St Mirren	Dunfermline Athletic	H	SPL	3	4-4	D
22/09/2012	Stewart Kean	Stenhousemuir	Albion Rovers	A	2nd Division	3	4-4	D
15/12/2012	Billy McKay	Inverness CT	Dundee United	A	SPL	3	4-4	D
29/12/2012	Lyle Taylor	Falkirk	Dumbarton	H	1st Division	3	3-4	L
12/11/2013	Michael Moffat	Ayr United	Stranraer	H	League 1	3	3-6	L
18/01/2014	Stevie May	St Johnstone	Heart of Midlothian	H	Premiership	3	3-3	D
10/01/2015	Jason Cummings	Hibernian	Falkirk	H	Championship	3	3-3	D
31/03/2015	Craig Gunn	Elgin City	Berwick Rangers	H	League 2	3	3-3	D
25/04/2015	Darryl McHardy	Elgin City	Annan Athletic	H	League 2	3	4-5	L
31/10/2015	Rory McAllister	Peterhead	Stenhousemuir	A	League 1	3	3-4	L
25/07/2017	Alan Trouten	Albion Rovers	Hamilton Academical	H	League Cup	3	4-4	D
20/02/2018	Russell McLean	Peterhead	Annan Athletic	A	League 2	3	3-3	D
13/05/2018	Jamie MacLaren	Hibernian	Rangers	H	Premiership	3	5-5	D
19/07/2018	Klaemint Olsen	NSI Runavik	Hibernian	H	Europa League	3	4-6	L
06/10/2018	Stephen Dobbie	Queen of the South	Alloa Athletic	H	Championship	3	3-3	D
23/02/2019	Dom Thomas	Dumbarton	East Fife	A	League 1	3	3-4	L
13/08/2019	Scott Reekie	Brechin City	Elgin City	H	Challenge Cup	3	4-5	L
04/01/2020	David Goodwillie	Clyde	Stranraer	H	League 1	3	3-3	D
09/02/2022	Brian Graham	Partick Thistle	Inverness CT	A	Championship	3	3-3	D

 

[craigkillie]

I have fairly comprehensive data on hat-tricks, although there are currently around 2000 games, mostly pre-WWI, where it's possible a player scored a hat-trick (ie a team scored 3 or more goals) but I haven't found complete goalscorer information. If anyone is at a loose end and thinks they can help with any of those, I've put these "missing" games here.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1smmlWytza3X1SV1XhSVk2p8FiYG82FH9DwPMRiacNEQ/edit?usp=sharing

Edited February 10, 2022 by craigkillie

[Ranaldo Bairn]

Jings I forgot about that Lyle Taylor one. He should have got about 6 on his own that day but we were humped by that loser Philip Roberts getting himself sent off (again).

[Jimmy Shaker]

Brian Thomson of Rothes scored a hat-trick of set-pieces (1 pen, 2 free kicks) against Lossie on January 3rd 2006, and Lossie won 4-3.

Edited February 10, 2022 by Jimmy Shaker

[RiG]

Going all the way back to 1999 Paul Sheerin scored a hattrick against Alloa in the Challenge Cup final. He then missed in the penalty shoot out and we ended up losing the game.

[craigkillie]

Based on what I have, there are four separate instances of a player scoring 5 goals and not ending up on the winning side.

• Irvine Thornley scored 5 for Hamilton Accies in their 5-5 draw with Raith Rovers in the top flight in 1919.
• William Reid scored 5 for Forfar Athletic in a 6-5 defeat to King's Park in Division 2 in 1939.
• Willie Bauld scored 5 for Hearts in a 5-5 draw against St Mirren in the League Cup in 1951.
• Willie Clark scored 5 for Berwick Rangers in a 5-5 draw with Nairn County in the Scottish Cup in 1956.

[madton]

I don't think the 1st goal last night was even his. From the angle behind the goal, it goes in off the defender, can even tell Graham doesn't celebrate right away but deciding, feck it, I'm claiming it.

[Sergeant Wilson]

3 hours ago, Arch Stanton said:

Martin Cameron for us and Lee Miller for Falkirk in this game...

http://www.stmirrenprogrammes.co.uk/StMirren/STM_Match_Details.php?Season=2002&GameID=200210260

Joe Harper for Hibs v Celtic in the 6-3 League Cup final (74/75 season).

 

ETA...videos

The old no offside outside the 18 yard line season. Defences coped well.

[Ranaldo Bairn]

1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

The old no offside outside the 18 yard line season. Defences coped well.

I was going to ask about that.

Was that just Scottish? Or Britain or Europe wide? And did it result in a large increase in goals?

[Sergeant Wilson]

36 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said:

I was going to ask about that.

Was that just Scottish? Or Britain or Europe wide? And did it result in a large increase in goals?

Our League Cup only as far as I know. I remember Airdrie played Hearts and that wee shite Donald Ford was never more than a foot outside the line. IIRC it just lead to defenders hanging back and didn't succeed in bringing more goals.

Hibs defence seem to have had a major off day in the 6-3 game.

[HibeeJibee]

It was an experiment in the Drybrough Cup and League Cup sections - perhaps even the entire competition - for at least a couple of seasons in early 1970s.

Supposedly it caused clubs to leave players up near the box, which meant defenders had to hang back, which made it box-to-box in good ways (energetic midfield) and bad (constant long balls).

Edited February 10, 2022 by HibeeJibee

[Anfield 1977]

Denis Law scored all of Scotland's goals in a 3-4 defeat in Bergen to Norway in June 1963.

Five months later Denis grabbed four in a 6-1 revenge at Hampden.

Both games were friendlies.

[escargot]

Brian McPhee scored 4 for Queen's Park in a 5-5 draw at East Fife on 13 November 1993

[TheScarf]

14 hours ago, madton said:

I don't think the 1st goal last night was even his. From the angle behind the goal, it goes in off the defender, can even tell Graham doesn't celebrate right away but deciding, feck it, I'm claiming it.

Aye he scored 2 but I think the referee's report had him scoring 3.  If we had a dubious goals panel at that level, not sure if we do, it's definitely getting taken off him, he didn't touch it.