Abdul_Latif Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nevis said: This is abject pish I’m not defending it. Simply stating that till it is raised to a certain level, many are absolutely oblivious to what is going on it politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 22 hours ago, virginton said: You can't abandon self-ID principles just because the alternative is uncomfortable to deal with. The inherent logic of the law will either play out across all settings or the law will have to be amended. Except 'self-ID principles' are complete nonsense. The best thing to do is abandon them. -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 11 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: Except 'self-ID principles' are complete nonsense. The best thing to do is abandon them. Absolutely Angus McNeill MP now wants them dumped. The whole thing is falling apart. -3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 ‘No to self-ID’ and ‘My team: Rangers’ in the one go is quite the take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 A lot of sympathy towards female prisoners in the whole media coverage of this with very little regard for the reasons they are incarcerated in the first place or their victims. Seems odd that any prison inmates would be portrayed as victims but I suppose it suits the narrative in the current climate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: A lot of sympathy towards female prisoners in the whole media coverage of this with very little regard for the reasons they are incarcerated in the first place or their victims. Seems odd that any prison inmates would be portrayed as victims but I suppose it suits the narrative in the current climate. Agreed. They are convicted criminals. Bear in mind, also, that it’s quite hard to actually get sent to prison in the first place. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Billy Jean King said: A lot of sympathy towards female prisoners in the whole media coverage of this with very little regard for the reasons they are incarcerated in the first place or their victims. Seems odd that any prison inmates would be portrayed as victims but I suppose it suits the narrative in the current climate. Apparently the bold Joanne is making a hero - along with the Record - out of a woman with a very chequered background of (multiple) serious assaults and homophobia. Because now she’s a trustworthy, brave lady just speaking up about her fear of what she calls “nonces” and “troons” running riot in prisons (none actually doing anything aggressive in her story, mind). Bizarre to see the “hang ‘em and flog ‘em” types worshipping someone they’d normally want … well … flogged and hanged, all because she’s playing their favourite song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 37 minutes ago, Antlion said: Apparently the bold Joanne is making a hero - along with the Record - out of a woman with a very chequered background of (multiple) serious assaults and homophobia. Because now she’s a trustworthy, brave lady just speaking up about her fear of what she calls “nonces” and “troons” running riot in prisons (none actually doing anything aggressive in her story, mind). Bizarre to see the “hang ‘em and flog ‘em” types worshipping someone they’d normally want … well … flogged and hanged, all because she’s playing their favourite song. Leave Troon out of it, fine town otherwise totally. The Mail and Express suddenly showing concern for prisoners is so shallow and sham it's laughable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Scottish Prison Service to carry out 'urgent review' of trans inmates - BBC News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Fair play to VT, one of genuinely a handful of people I've seen who are able to articulate reasonable concerns about the impact of self-ID without some sort of appeal to biological essentialism or revealing some otherwise fundamentally transphobic root of disapproval (to be clear, I think this is because he doesn't hold those views rather than being better at hiding them). This is a difficult issue, and now probably a majority of opponents are behaving increasingly and alarmingly deranged, but the government's refusal to be firm or clear on certain implications of policy helps no one. While Sturgeon deserves credit for continuing to pursue this, as has been mentioned ad infinitum this was essentially universal policy pre trans issue becoming a culture war, it does often feel like her approach to the issue is like that meme except she's turning a big dial that says "trans rights" until part of the audience starts hissing and then performing a partial u turn. That being said, I'm all for her calling out the "saying anything insulting to a woman is misogyny" gang for their own side's toxicity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 39 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: Scottish Prison Service to carry out 'urgent review' of trans inmates - BBC News I wonder if Rachel Hamilton MSP knows who Julie Bindel is? Now sharing the views of someone with a track record of transphobia. The mask is slipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 I do find it interesting that only recently there’s been questions over what prison someone goes to based on their victims. We’ve been sending prisoners to the same gender facilities as their victims for centuries. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: I wonder if Rachel Hamilton MSP knows who Julie Bindel is? Now sharing the views of someone with a track record of transphobia. The mask is slipping. A quick squint at her timeline shows she’s previously RTd Rosie Duffield and Helen Joyce so, yeah, she knows exactly who she is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: A quick squint at her timeline shows she’s previously RTd Rosie Duffield and Helen Joyce so, yeah, she knows exactly who she is. It's why I said that the mask is slipping. I get that some may have issues with aspects of the GRA but this shows that the fake concerns for women are nothing more than an excuse for their bigotted views underneath. These bigots don't want transsexuals full stop Edited January 29, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: It's why I said that the mask is slipping. I get that some may have issues with aspects of the GRA but this shows that the fake concerns for women are nothing more than an excuse for their bigotted views underneath. These bigots don't want transsexuals full stop GB news in facilitating bigots shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 5 hours ago, carpetmonster said: ‘No to self-ID’ and ‘My team: Rangers’ in the one go is quite the take. It was only a matter of time until he got pished and the mask slipped tbh. Another utterly dreadful individual sharing the same bin as Dawson Park Bigot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Complete shambles. Sturgeon said it should be left to the SPS to decide. Burns/Scott was going to a women’s prison. Now it’s an urgent review. Guess what’s going to happen now? -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 On 28/01/2023 at 21:30, The_Kincardine said: Except 'self-ID principles' are complete nonsense. The best thing to do is abandon them. Is this, given the distance of twenty four hours and the Sabbath, your considered and thoughtful position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 The SNP getting battered over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: The SNP getting battered over this. I naively assumed that trans prisoners would not be housed in the same unit as other prisoners. Certainly not in areas where they'd be naked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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