welshbairn Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: How can it be an attack on devolution when people in Scotland didn’t support it in the first place. From last year.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Alert Mongoose said: That's it? That's all you have to make that ridiculous claim? Fucking hell. Asks for a poll - gets shown a poll - doesn’t like poll - the response ^ You lot carry on in your echo chamber and fantasy land. Screaming bigot etc at anyone who disagrees. It’ll not get you anywhere and it’s partly the reason why politics is an absolute shitshow that nobody can be arsed with nowadays. Once again big well done to the UK government for showing common sense. -18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rugster said: I’m surprised he’s ventured back out of the football side of things on this board after his hiatus when he basically admitted to having his parents help him get young ladies drunk to let him have his way with them. What's this?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, 1320Lichtie said: Asks for a poll - gets shown a poll - doesn’t like poll - the response ^ You lot carry on in your echo chamber and fantasy land. Screaming bigot etc at anyone who disagrees. It’ll not get you anywhere and it’s partly the reason why politics is an absolute shitshow that nobody can be arsed with nowadays. Once again big well done to the UK government for showing common sense. Polls certainly have an excellent record in recent times. Perhaps you could answer the question posed to you several times above? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I genuinely hope the subject matter can be removed from the discussion around this.* It shouldn’t matter whether you agree with this legislation or not, the question now is whether it’s within the competency of the Scottish Parliament. My gut and a surface-level look tells me it is, but I’m no expert. Let the Supreme Court decide. *obviously it won’t be because the entire thing is being orchestrated to build dislike of the SNP/Scotland which could prove useful in an election, and a nice bonus would be to get a Labour MP to say a woman can have a penis. CON +4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Asks for a poll - gets shown a poll - doesn’t like poll - the response ^ You lot carry on in your echo chamber and fantasy land. Screaming bigot etc at anyone who disagrees. It’ll not get you anywhere and it’s partly the reason why politics is an absolute shitshow that nobody can be arsed with nowadays. Once again big well done to the UK government for showing common sense. So what are your actual philosophical issues with the GRA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Asks for a poll - gets shown a poll - doesn’t like poll - the response ^ You lot carry on in your echo chamber and fantasy land. Screaming bigot etc at anyone who disagrees. It’ll not get you anywhere and it’s partly the reason why politics is an absolute shitshow that nobody can be arsed with nowadays. Once again big well done to the UK government for showing common sense. Just tell us why you disagree and maybe some of us will agree with you as I'm sure it's a very good, solid argument based on facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Asks for a poll - gets shown a poll - doesn’t like poll - the response ^ You lot carry on in your echo chamber and fantasy land. Screaming bigot etc at anyone who disagrees. It’ll not get you anywhere and it’s partly the reason why politics is an absolute shitshow that nobody can be arsed with nowadays. Once again big well done to the UK government for showing common sense. Polls aren't democracy - it's why we democratically elect our representatives. Why are you opposed to democracy? Edited January 16, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Asks for a poll - gets shown a poll - doesn’t like poll - the response ^ You lot carry on in your echo chamber and fantasy land. Screaming bigot etc at anyone who disagrees. It’ll not get you anywhere and it’s partly the reason why politics is an absolute shitshow that nobody can be arsed with nowadays. Once again big well done to the UK government for showing common sense. Don't think I've ever seen such skewed questions in a poll in order to get the desired result. First, plant the idea of fraud... Quote Do you agree or disagree with the following? 1) Making it a criminal offence to make a false application or statutory declaration for gender recognition 2) Removing the requirement for doctor's diagnosis of gender dysphoria 3) Reducing the time applicants must have lived in their acquired gender from 2 years to 6 months (made up of a 3 month period, with an additional 3-month reflection period) 4) Reducing the minimum age a person can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: What's this?! Think it may have been lost during the last cull or perhaps during the wasteland days. A very sorry tale, that panned out pretty much as Rugster has stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Asks for a poll - gets shown a poll - doesn’t like poll - the response ^ You lot carry on in your echo chamber and fantasy land. Screaming bigot etc at anyone who disagrees. It’ll not get you anywhere and it’s partly the reason why politics is an absolute shitshow that nobody can be arsed with nowadays. Once again big well done to the UK government for showing common sense. Like several other posters I'm quite dismayed by your posts on this subject, and I'm wondering if you've undergone some sort of right-wing conversion therapy. To be clear on the politics of today's news, because that's what it is, there was no pressing legal imperative for the UK Government to enact a Section 35 Order, they have deliberately chosen to do so. Since the onset of devolution the Section 35 has been regarded as a nuclear option, to be used only in very exceptional circumstances. The Scottish Government's Bill on Gender Reassignment doesn't equate to that, but what we are seeing in Westminster's reaction is UK Gov taking the opportunity to apply some long-promised 'muscular unionism'. I hope Alister Jack knows exactly what he is unleashing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 31 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: How dare a tiny oppressed minority get to have their lives improved by a miniscule amount. f**k the Tories and all the TERF c***s who support this. In what way will the reform improve their lives? -5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Who could’ve seen that a poll commissioned for the fucking Times newspaper would yield a result that backs transphobia? Oh, it’s literally everyone. Everyone could’ve seen that coming. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 A harrowing look back to a time when Trans people weren't treated like shit at every opportunity. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, MazzyStar said: In what way will the reform improve their lives? In what way will it harm yours? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, Rugster said: In what way will it harm yours? I didn’t say it will obviously. I’m just not sure what difference it will make to the way things currently are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozam76 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Like several other posters I'm quite dismayed by your posts on this subject, and I'm wondering if you've undergone some sort of right-wing conversion therapy. To be clear on the politics of today's news, because that's what it is, there was no pressing legal imperative for the UK Government to enact a Section 35 Order, they have deliberately chosen to do so. Since the onset of devolution the Section 35 has been regarded as a nuclear option, to be used only in very exceptional circumstances. The Scottish Government's Bill on Gender Reassignment doesn't equate to that, but what we are seeing in Westminster's reaction is UK Gov taking the opportunity to apply some long-promised 'muscular unionism'. I hope Alister Jack knows exactly what he is unleashing here. I for one can’t fathom why the first S35 has been used on a) this matter and b) by this bigoted, right wing UK Govt. Nope, haven’t a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrWorldwideJr Posted January 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2023 Much as this is an open attack on devolution and the Scottish parliament, the more important thing today is that its yet another open attack on transgender people by the UK government. Sad, but completely unsurprising, to see the denial of rights to a marginalised group being enthusiastically cheered on by the usual suspects. The vast majority who will post on here in the coming days about how this is an 'echo chamber' and 'you won't convince people by calling them bigots' aren't in the least bit interested in being convinced or having their views challenged. They won't be able to tell you what the GRA involves. They won't be able to tell you what the current process for legally changing your gender involves. They won't be able to tell you anything about what transitioning or being transgender involves in general. This is a 'debate' being waged on fear and prejudice. It has absolutely nothing to do with what is best for transgender people, transgender children, people who are trying to figure their gender out. It has everything to do with needing a boogeyman to point at and with the British people being all to happy to go along with hating people because they don't understand them. 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, MazzyStar said: I didn’t say it will obviously. I’m just not sure what difference it will make to the way things currently are. Well if it doesn’t harm you, then whats the issue? As for your question, take two minutes to read about it and you will see the myriad of ways it will improve trans peoples’ lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 You have to say, but what a fucking stupid hill for Unionism to die on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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