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35 minutes ago, Cosmic Joe said:

No. It was you that made the ludicrous "Woke Warrior" statement. 

 

34 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Most of the British public being bigoted wankers isn't news.

Ha ha ha.

An extremely well formated argument.  Does this mean if you think 'a woman is a female human' you are a 'bigoted w****r'?

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No I'm saying you are a lazy b*****d and you should stop demanding people do your work for you.
Good of you to show more of this "niceness" you folk claim to possess though. [emoji23]
Meanwhile, back in the real world, the battle is being lost on the public's view of trans rights according to a YouGov poll. Maybe more of you need to get off your high horses posting abusive nonsense on things like Twitter, remove yourselves from your echo chambers and patting yourselves on the back and actually try actively listening to what people with opposing views have to say on this. You'd get further IMO.
Where does the British public stand on transgender rights in 2022? | YouGov
The reversal in attitudes seems to stem from the practical realisation of what it means to treat a man as a woman. In particular trans women taking part in women's sport is bringing this to the attention of a public who were previously largely uninterested in the wider trans debate. This section stands out:-
"There has been an erosion in support for trans rights since 2018
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On the key premise of whether Britons accept that a trans man is a man and a trans woman is a woman, there was net agreement that they are back in 2018 (+11, with 43% agreeing and 32% disagreeing in both cases).

This agreement has diminished, with Britons now split, with 38% agreeing and 40% disagreeing that a trans woman is a woman, and a 39% / 39% split on whether or not a trans man is a man (net scores of -2 and ±0, respectively)."


“You can abuse statistics all you like” etc etc.

Bigot.
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Exactly.
You can't even appeal to science either because apparently "feelings" trump biology and nobody else is allowed a different opinion.
You do wonder where this level of arrogance comes from.
No wonder huge swathes of the public aren't listening to them.
I handt realised "a woman is a female human" was a scientifically thought out position tbh.
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40 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Exactly.

You can't even appeal to science either because apparently "feelings" trump biology and nobody else is allowed a different opinion.

You do wonder where this level of arrogance comes from.

No wonder huge swathes of the public aren't listening to them.

Given 1 in 100 births result in a child that doesn’t meet the “conventional” male/female definition, I find it really amusing the number of people arguing that biology is male/female, it isn’t. So, if you want to get all huffy about sports and such, then you need to get genetic materials from all winners (and second, just in case, and then third, just in case, etc) and determine if they are “pure” XX, XY, or one of any of several dozen other possibilities. Of course, now that sounds a wee bit fascist, doesn’t it?

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Sad to see yet another topic that Oaksoft's been reluctantly forced into the right-wing position on by the woke warriors, entitled union members, and benefits scroungers of a forum about a sport he's supposedly had no interest in since his youth.

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55 minutes ago, TxRover said:

Given 1 in 100 births result in a child that doesn’t meet the “conventional” male/female definition, I find it really amusing the number of people arguing that biology is male/female, it isn’t. So, if you want to get all huffy about sports and such, then you need to get genetic materials from all winners (and second, just in case, and then third, just in case, etc) and determine if they are “pure” XX, XY, or one of any of several dozen other possibilities. Of course, now that sounds a wee bit fascist, doesn’t it?

I wouldn't bother. He's had all this explained to him multiple times on this thread already.

He knows that 'the science' doesn't say what he claims that it says. He just doesn't care.

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1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

Almost all humans are born with either XX or XY chromosomes with rare exceptions due to chromosome mutations.

False, see:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

That is what determines whether you are a male or a female.

Actually, about 2 of 1,000 babies are “assigned” a sex via surgery after birth…and another 8 of 1,000 are assigned a sex without surgery. These assignments may or may not involve parental knowledge. So, again, False.

 

2 hours ago, oaksoft said:

If you disagree with this and think it should all be about "feelings", that's fair enough but you won't be arguing from a scientific point of view.

Since you are so attached to science, you will now agree that it is you who are arguing from a non-scientific point of view. If you don’t, then you are conceding that you argument has always been about feelings, not science. Good luck.

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1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

Did you even read that link?

Yep…I figured a simple NHS link explaining there are a number of differing concerns and conditions was about your speed. You want the in depth, technical stuff, it’s available, but obviously ignored by you.

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1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

I posted that almost all humans are born with either XX or XY in rough agreement (bar hair splitting) with a post you made yourself earlier in which you had posted a figure of at least 99%.

You then bizarrely responded "naw it isnae" and posted a link to an NHS web page which described a medical condition which in the very first line described it as "very rare" and seem to think you've won some kind of victory. Your debate skills are utterly baffling.

Listen, you are absolutely welcome to believe whatever you want. I'm not interested in getting into a fight over it. You are even welcome to delude yourself into thinking you hold some moral high ground on this. It's literally no skin off my nose. It's all a bit pathetic really but you're welcome to it.

What you are going to have to learn is that sometimes other people are simply going to hold different views from you. This seems to cause endless problems for you and a few others on here. This sort of thing is a life skill and it's really worth investing the time in learning it. That would be my advice. You are free to take it or discard it.

Is that your parting shot? 

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7 hours ago, oaksoft said:

I posted that almost all humans are born with either XX or XY in rough agreement (bar hair splitting) with a post you made yourself earlier in which you had posted a figure of at least 99%.

You then bizarrely responded "naw it isnae" and posted a link to an NHS web page which described a medical condition which in the very first line described it as "very rare" and seem to think you've won some kind of victory. Your debate skills are utterly baffling.

Listen, you are absolutely welcome to believe whatever you want. I'm not interested in getting into a fight over it. You are even welcome to delude yourself into thinking you hold some moral high ground on this. It's literally no skin off my nose. It's all a bit pathetic really but you're welcome to it.

What you are going to have to learn is that sometimes other people are simply going to hold different views from you. This seems to cause endless problems for you and a few others on here. This sort of thing is a life skill and it's really worth investing the time in learning it. That would be my advice. You are free to take it or discard it.

Very rare…1 in 100…yep, clearly nothing alike there…thanks for agreeing with me, eh?

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