gannonball Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 37 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: Yeah there was just a sense of malaise about the club that whole time. Part of that was some dreadful managerial appointments though and Calderwood and Butcher in particular were dreadful. Mixu and to an extent Fenlon at least seemed to have a clue but weren't really good enough either. What I never understood was when Calderwood was approached to be an assistant down south whilst at Hibs (Nottingham Forrest?) and Petrie rejected it with some decent compo being offered. Hibs we’re doing utter shite at the time iirc then they sacked him 2 months later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 54 minutes ago, gannonball said: What I never understood was when Calderwood was approached to be an assistant down south whilst at Hibs (Nottingham Forrest?) and Petrie rejected it with some decent compo being offered. Hibs we’re doing utter shite at the time iirc then they sacked him 2 months later. I think that was in the summer and he was then sacked in November but could be wrong. Most would have let him go at any rate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 The thread is called "Doing a Davidson" but let's not forget being relegated in successive seasons is called "Doing a Saintees" as St. Johnstone were the first club ever to suffer that ignominy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Forever_blueco said: Looking back at that period the team I think most affected by the presence of all us 3 kicking about the championship was definitely queen of the south . That team they had from the first season was a great team who would have coasted to promotion under more normal circumstances Nah, Falkirk where the best of the rest by miles. Goosed with unforeseen circumstances 20 years after not being allowed in due to stadium rules, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Hoose Rice said: Nah, Falkirk where the best of the rest by miles. Goosed with unforeseen circumstances 20 years after not being allowed in due to stadium rules, Not in 14/15, tbf. QOS pipped us to 4th place. The next two years we were out in front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: Not in 14/15, tbf. QOS pipped us to 4th place. The next two years we were out in front. I still thought you boys where a much better side. We finished second but I don't think we had the second best side for instance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 46 minutes ago, Hoose Rice said: I still thought you boys where a much better side. We finished second but I don't think we had the second best side for instance. Sorry if I am on a different wavelength but who did you think was the second best side that season ? Certainly wasn’t us in my opinion . We were woeful that season and finished where we probably deserved to be. Fair enough on paper at the beginning we probably had the best side on paper but as we know the reality was the team we put together was useless and was actually surprised we got the better of you over 2 legs in the play off semi final when it came around. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said: Sorry if I am on a different wavelength but who did you think was the second best side that season ? Certainly wasn’t us in my opinion . We were woeful that season and finished where we probably deserved to be. Fair enough on paper at the beginning we probably had the best side on paper but as we know the reality was the team we put together was useless and was actually surprised we got the better of you over 2 legs in the play off semi final when it came around. Considering we had a brand new squad at the start of the season and actively looked to punt others throughout, your new mob certainly had a better team/squad than us. All it needed was any sort of contempt manager to take you up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 aye Stubbs' biggest achievement was maybe just making us quite decent that first season. We beat Rangers 4-0 (tbf at their nadir) with a midfield which had Scott Robertson, Liam Craig and Danny Handling in it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: Yeah there was just a sense of malaise about the club that whole time. Part of that was some dreadful managerial appointments though and Calderwood and Butcher in particular were dreadful. Mixu and to an extent Fenlon at least seemed to have a clue but weren't really good enough either. I think what I meant is that Hughes, Fenlon, and Butcher all came in having been successful elsewhere. Calderwood had one good job and one ok job before Hibs. Mixu was also shaping up as a decent coaching career. Hibs was his only bad job in his first four. The common denominator is Hibs in that era. They look like poor choices in hindsight, but they all showed elsewhere that they had something about them.i think when so many coaches who have done well elsewhere fail in succession, you can say it was the club. Best thing that happened to Hibs was going down. Burst the negative bubble. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: I think what I meant is that Hughes, Fenlon, and Butcher all came in having been successful elsewhere. Calderwood had one good job and one ok job before Hibs. Mixu was also shaping up as a decent coaching career. Hibs was his only bad job in his first four. The common denominator is Hibs in that era. They look like poor choices in hindsight, but they all showed elsewhere that they had something about them.i think when so many coaches who have done well elsewhere fail in succession, you can say it was the club. Best thing that happened to Hibs was going down. Burst the negative bubble. No argument there mate! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: I think what I meant is that Hughes, Fenlon, and Butcher all came in having been successful elsewhere. Calderwood had one good job and one ok job before Hibs. Mixu was also shaping up as a decent coaching career. Hibs was his only bad job in his first four. The common denominator is Hibs in that era. They look like poor choices in hindsight, but they all showed elsewhere that they had something about them.i think when so many coaches who have done well elsewhere fail in succession, you can say it was the club. Best thing that happened to Hibs was going down. Burst the negative bubble. It made Rod Petrie reaslise he never a clue about how to run a football club. Decent post tbf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Nosejob Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: The thread is called "Doing a Davidson" but let's not forget being relegated in successive seasons is called "Doing a Saintees" as St. Johnstone were the first club ever to suffer that ignominy. Clyde and Dunfermline both managed to drop down tiers in 1974-75 and 1975-76, almost 10 years before St. Johnstone. Depends on your definition of “relegated” and whether league reconstruction counts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Clyde and Dunfermline both managed to drop down tiers in 1974-75 and 1975-76, almost 10 years before St. Johnstone. Depends on your definition of “relegated” and whether league reconstruction counts.Don't spoil it for Archstanton ffs. His whole world revolves around St Johnstone!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 41 minutes ago, Funky Nosejob said: Clyde and Dunfermline both managed to drop down tiers in 1974-75 and 1975-76, almost 10 years before St. Johnstone. Depends on your definition of “relegated” and whether league reconstruction counts. We all know the difference between reconstruction and relegation. Saintees did it first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 12 hours ago, PauloPerth said: Don't spoil it for Archstanton ffs. His whole world revolves around St Johnstone!! Do st johnstone fans world even revolve around st Johnstone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Saint Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said: Do st johnstone fans world even revolve around st Johnstone? I cant speak for anyone else but not for me. Then again, i'm not a loser. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifespud Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Was chatting about this just today with a a Sheffield United supporting mate of mine, talking about the rise and fall of Chris Wilder. Our conclusion was that it's one thing for a manager to shape a successful team, particularly if the core is already there as it certainly was when Davidson took over. It's far harder to reshape a team, particularly on a limited budget, when you find your level, the world moves on, or your most important players get too old/are sold from under you. Arsenal are taking literally years to do it despite being minted, and going through multiple managers in the process. Murinho's style has been outdated, at one point his side's hadn't been beaten at home for three years. Being able to continually evolve a side is what makes the Sir Alex's of this world, who can keep things fresh over decades, greats. I see Davidson's situation as similar to Hartley's last season with us, his best players were sold, the new ones didn't quite work and now he is out of ideas. Let's hope it ends the same way [emoji1787]The Blades were mental to let Wilder go. Fantastic manager. The problem was the owners wanted to go down the recruit tonnes of foreign youngsters route, and that’s not Wilder’s way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Fifespud said: The Blades were mental to let Wilder go. Fantastic manager. The problem was the owners wanted to go down the recruit tonnes of foreign youngsters route, and that’s not Wilder’s way. Agreed, although paying nearly 20 million for Ollie Mcburnie is almost a criminal offence. He’s doing very well at Middlesborough now though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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