Unleash The Nade Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Celtic Always the victims 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 I have sifted through this bin fire of a post 4 times now and still not quite sure what you are asking or stating. I say again, best leaving this be.The evil in the world comes almost always from ignorance, and goodwill can cause as much damage as ill-will if it is not enlightened. People are more often good than bad, though in fact that is not the question. But they are more or less ignorant and this is what one calls vice or virtue, the most appalling vice being the ignorance that thinks it knows everything and which consequently authorizes itself to kill. The murderer's soul is blind, and there is no true goodness or fine love without the greatest possible degree of clear-sightednessJean Paul Satre mid 20th century french philosopher, playwright, novelist and social secretary of Montmartrois Hearts Supporters Club 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: The evil in the world comes almost always from ignorance, and goodwill can cause as much damage as ill-will if it is not enlightened. People are more often good than bad, though in fact that is not the question. But they are more or less ignorant and this is what one calls vice or virtue, the most appalling vice being the ignorance that thinks it knows everything and which consequently authorizes itself to kill. The murderer's soul is blind, and there is no true goodness or fine love without the greatest possible degree of clear-sightedness Jean Paul Satre mid 20th century french philosopher, playwright, novelist and social secretary of Montmartrois Hearts Supporters Club I must have missed that episode of topcat, which is unlike me I had the board game and everything. Edited January 26, 2022 by gannonball 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: The evil in the world comes almost always from ignorance, and goodwill can cause as much damage as ill-will if it is not enlightened. People are more often good than bad, though in fact that is not the question. But they are more or less ignorant and this is what one calls vice or virtue, the most appalling vice being the ignorance that thinks it knows everything and which consequently authorizes itself to kill. The murderer's soul is blind, and there is no true goodness or fine love without the greatest possible degree of clear-sightedness Jean Paul Satre mid 20th century french philosopher, playwright, novelist and social secretary of Montmartrois Hearts Supporters Club Was he asked about demetri Mitchell? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 I must have missed that episode of topcat.It’s from an episode in the experImental 4th series directed by Ingmar Bergman. His use of black and white cinematography was controversial at the time and generally seen as a mistake now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 Was he asked about demetri Mitchell? No but I don’t think anybody has yet asked Demetri Mitchell about Jean-Paul Satre either 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 11 hours ago, gannonball said: Passing off an entirely subjective opinion as a matter of fact is the true calling card of a moron so I think we best leave this be tbh. I was with you until this point, you were making quite sensible points - but you've had a bit of a nightmare from this post on. That Celtic fans sing about the IRA, a terrorist organisation by definition*, at Tynecastle, is a fact. It's bizarre to claim otherwise. TBH, I don't care that they do in the slightest - Hearts fans have sung some absolutely bloody terrible things over the years, and so have fans of pretty much every other club (Rangers fans most commonly, but I've even heard Ross County fans chant the occasional naughty word or two), but the fact that they do is about as subjective as the fact that today is Wednesday. * If your claim of subjectivity is regarding the IRA's status as terrorists then, while you're entitled to believe they shouldn't be so defined, that is exactly how they are legally defined in this country, so to state that they are isn't opinion; again, it's fact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: No but I don’t think anybody has yet asked Demetri Mitchell about Jean-Paul Satre either I believe the general consensus is that he was brilliant in his early work, but hugely disappointing when he returned to philosophy after a spell away, and that in any case, Jimmy Dunne was a far deeper thinker. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Dons_1988 said: Arguments about the IRA already, who could have predicted that. And yet, you didnt. Next time there's a celtic v Hertz thread, why not post all of your predictions early doors? This will allow you to post about your remarkable insight later. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squonk Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Is Demetri Mitchell the long-lost Mitchell brother who turns up unexpectedly in EastLochenders? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, paranoid android said: And yet, you didnt. Next time there's a celtic v Hertz thread, why not post all of your predictions early doors? This will allow you to post about your remarkable insight later. You’ve always struck me as fairly sensible on here, so quite why you’ve twice had a pop at my admittedly half hearted efforts is something to reflect on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, lennyzer0 said: I was with you until this point, you were making quite sensible points - but you've had a bit of a nightmare from this post on. That Celtic fans sing about the IRA, a terrorist organisation by definition*, at Tynecastle, is a fact. It's bizarre to claim otherwise. TBH, I don't care that they do in the slightest - Hearts fans have sung some absolutely bloody terrible things over the years, and so have fans of pretty much every other club (Rangers fans most commonly, but I've even heard Ross County fans chant the occasional naughty word or two), but the fact that they do is about as subjective as the fact that today is Wednesday. * If your claim of subjectivity is regarding the IRA's status as terrorists then, while you're entitled to believe they shouldn't be so defined, that is exactly how they are legally defined in this country, so to state that they are isn't opinion; again, it's fact. I get some of your points however The ‘IRA’ were around and then defunct before terrorism laws were ever brought in I think. Of course we now sing songs of other organisations and their members and I would rather we didn’t. I think I am starting another bin fire here myself though. Edited January 26, 2022 by gannonball 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, lennyzer0 said: I was with you until this point, you were making quite sensible points - but you've had a bit of a nightmare from this post on. That Celtic fans sing about the IRA, a terrorist organisation by definition*, at Tynecastle, is a fact. It's bizarre to claim otherwise. TBH, I don't care that they do in the slightest - Hearts fans have sung some absolutely bloody terrible things over the years, and so have fans of pretty much every other club (Rangers fans most commonly, but I've even heard Ross County fans chant the occasional naughty word or two), but the fact that they do is about as subjective as the fact that today is Wednesday. * If your claim of subjectivity is regarding the IRA's status as terrorists then, while you're entitled to believe they shouldn't be so defined, that is exactly how they are legally defined in this country, so to state that they are isn't opinion; again, it's fact. Agree with all of this, including the part about our own support, past and present. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snifter Pee Rot Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Win for wim has a nice ring to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, lennyzer0 said: If your claim of subjectivity is regarding the IRA's status as terrorists then, while you're entitled to believe they shouldn't be so defined, that is exactly how they are legally defined in this country, so to state that they are isn't opinion; again, it's fact. Mince, it's based on your own individual perspective (one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter). Legally defined is fecking hilarious, get officer dibble on the case. Edited January 26, 2022 by wastecoatwilly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stressball Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I’m not going to play devils advocate here, so I’m just going to state that the St. Pauli fans are listed as a terrorist cell in this country. No comparison by any means, but it does show that going purely by definitions doesn’t always work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: (one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter). There we are, the one everyone was waiting on. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: one man's terrorist is another's free fighter. The distinction is a false dichotomy. "Terrorism" refers to a method the "Freedom fighter" refers to an objective. Arguments that the later excludes the former invariably boil down to "The ends justify the means" It's a statement that's equally vacuous morally and intellectually Edited January 26, 2022 by topcat(The most tip top) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: Mince, it's based on your own individual perspective (one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter). Legally defined is fecking hilarious, get officer dibble on the case. And there you go. The sensible discussion is over - the fools have arrived. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: Mince, it's based on your own individual perspective (one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter). Legally defined is fecking hilarious, get officer dibble on the case. No cause can be used as justification for innocent children being ripped to shreds by nail-bombs, whilst being pushed around shopping centres in their prams. Freedom fighters fight soldiers, they do not murder innocents. I actually support a unified Ireland, although I don't really see it as my place to get involved. I also support an independent Scotland, but I do not believe in "at any cost". The IRA and all their little off-shoots are terrorist organisations. Edited January 26, 2022 by Kyle Reese 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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