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14 minutes ago, Scott Steiner said:

Interesting post mate.

I don't really see abortion fundamentally as a left or right issue, but sadly over the years it's become that way, however I'm absolutely on the side of the children with that one.

That is part of the argument is it not? When is it a child? 6 weeks, 12 weeks, 28 weeks?

Best not to get bogged down on one point in this but it's a strange dichotomy when right wing supposed libertarians become very authoritarian when it is a question of a woman's rights,

I'm a little right wing on some things but mostly libertarian slight left on most. 

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8 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

That is part of the argument is it not? When is it a child? 6 weeks, 12 weeks, 28 weeks?

Best not to get bogged down on one point in this but it's a strange dichotomy when right wing supposed libertarians become very authoritarian when it is a question of a woman's rights,

I'm a little right wing on some things but mostly libertarian slight left on most. 

For me it's an individual, living human being at the moment of conception, which is when it has it's own DNA.

I'm not judging anyone who has an abortion and know women who've had several (they weren't rape victims, but just didn't want the pregnancy), but just can't see any moral justification for it other than when the mother's life is at risk.  Saving the lives of these unborn women and men does more for women's rights than anything IMO.

When I look at the arguments against abortion I don't see authoritarianism or sexism, but compassion and an urge to save lives.

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1 minute ago, Scott Steiner said:

For me it's an individual, living human being at the moment of conception, which is when it has it's own DNA.

I'm not judging anyone who has an abortion and know women who've had several (they weren't rape victims, but just didn't want the pregnancy), but just can't see any moral justification for it other than when the mother's life is at risk.

When I look at the arguments against abortion I don't see authoritarianism or sexism, but compassion and an urge to save lives.

Although I'd say that abortion as an extreme form of birth control is wrong, I still believe in the fundamental principle of a woman's right to choose. In my ideal world, people would never need to because the contraception would be widely used because the education and openness about sex and it's consequences would be far better than it is just now.

 

Just re-took that political compass test to see if anything was different since the last time. I'm slightly more libertarian but still left wing. I know it's skewed but I don't know any other test.

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6 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

Although I'd say that abortion as an extreme form of birth control is wrong, I still believe in the fundamental principle of a woman's right to choose. In my ideal world, people would never need to because the contraception would be widely used because the education and openness about sex and it's consequences would be far better than it is just now.

 

Just re-took that political compass test to see if anything was different since the last time. I'm slightly more libertarian but still left wing. I know it's skewed but I don't know any other test.

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Fair play mate.  In my ideal world abortion would be banned and people wouldn't have sex until they are married :D

I'm going to do that political compass test.  Got a link?

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Abortion is a settled issue in this country anyhow, with the majority correctly recognising a woman's right to choose.

It'll never become a hot button topic topic like in the US thankfully, despite the best efforts of culture war weirdos.

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1 minute ago, Scott Steiner said:

Fair play mate.  In my ideal world abortion would be banned and people wouldn't have sex until they are married :D

I'm going to do that political compass test.  Got a link?

The Political Compass

 

Like I say, it seems skewed to make everyone seem more left wing than they are but if you come out as on the left of the axis, then I'll be shocked.

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Although I'd say that abortion as an extreme form of birth control is wrong, I still believe in the fundamental principle of a woman's right to choose. In my ideal world, people would never need to because the contraception would be widely used because the education and openness about sex and it's consequences would be far better than it is just now.
 
Just re-took that political compass test to see if anything was different since the last time. I'm slightly more libertarian but still left wing. I know it's skewed but I don't know any other test.
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It’s possible to think something is bad without wanting to make it illegal.

That can be a challenge sometimes

Furthermore it should be possible to disapprove of things while accepting that you don’t have legitimate jurisdiction over that decision

That’s even harder
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6 minutes ago, Kima Greggs said:

Abortion is a settled issue in this country anyhow, with the majority correctly recognising a woman's right to choose.

It'll never become a hot button topic topic like in the US thankfully, despite the best efforts of culture war weirdos.

It's still not a completely settled issue because there are still some (usually religious weirdo) folk who are against it but we're nowhere near the US in that respect. 

Does Northern Ireland not have slightly different laws still? (Even with the recent changes)

 

 

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I wonder how much more left wing libertarian I would be if I didn't believe in the death penalty in some cases.

There are a couple of questions on that test which I know would put me in the right wing/authoritarian category so I must be more left wing when it comes to economics.

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3 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

It's still not a completely settled issue because there are still some (usually religious weirdo) folk who are against it but we're nowhere near the US in that respect. 

Does Northern Ireland not have slightly different laws still? (Even with the recent changes)

It's settled insofar as there's no political will or any meaningful movement to change it outside of culture war weirdos, reactionary ghouls and old men shouting at clouds.

I'm not sure about N.Ireland, but Failed Statelet gonna Failed Statelet I guess ?

 

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The only reason abortion is settled over here is the amount of pro-choice propaganda we're force fed as well as well-meaning politicians/media figures being scared to speak up due to the fear of being labelled.

Scan technology as well as scientific advances in the identification of DNA, realisation of when the child feels pain and develops organs/senses/a brain/a heartbeat as well as the harmful effects of abortion on the mother mean that attitudes could easily swing back some day.

In the USA we've had promising signs of hope from recent decisions regarding Texas and Mississippi.  I doubt 'Roe v Wade' will be overturned completely, but may eventually be largely rendered obsolete.

Interesting to note that 'Roe' is now a pro-life activist, as are many who witness the horrors of what abortion actually is such as ex-planned parenthood boss Abby Johnson.

All is not lost.

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Not far from what I expected, and confirms my deeply held belief that the paradigm has shifted to the left over the years to the extent that people are branded far-right for having opinions which are, in reality, actually quite moderate.

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1 minute ago, Scott Steiner said:

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Not far from what I expected, and confirms my deeply held belief that the paradigm has shifted to the left over the years to the extent that people are branded far-right for having opinions which are, in reality, actually quite moderate.

Not surprising given you rail against neoliberal economics and want to nationalise the banks. You're fundamentally on the national socialist end of the spectrum.

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Just now, welshbairn said:

Not surprising given you rail against neoliberal economics and want to nationalise the banks. You're fundamentally on the national socialist end of the spectrum.

Instead of S Steiner, my username should really be C Kyle.

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I remember when Robin Day did Question Time and sometimes Enoch Powell would be on the panel.

Although he was a good debater, he was definitely seen as being hard right and nobody would want to be seen to agree with him.

Nowadays his opinions are fairly common place - especially regarding Brexit.

I would describe that as a shift to the right.

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4 minutes ago, Fullerene said:

I remember when Robin Day did Question Time and sometimes Enoch Powell would be on the panel.

Although he was a good debater, he was definitely seen as being hard right and nobody would want to be seen to agree with him.

Nowadays his opinions are fairly common place - especially regarding Brexit.

I would describe that as a shift to the right.

I think that compass is skewed to middle ground America which has moved massively to the right in the last 50 years. The Democrats are now to the right of the Christian Democrats in Germany. They've got a piece on it.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/counterpoint-20211001-german-election

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