Are football fans and boards too impatient ?

[smc4761]

Are we as football fans too impatient with our teams; are boards too quick to sack managers hoping for instant success

So far in our league Killie, Morton. Ayr, Accies, Dunfermline have punted their managers. Thats 50% of managers gone already and most only in their jobs for less than 2 years. Is the QOS manager safe, what about Doddsy at Inverness.

How long should a manger be given. I appreciate that it is different times but old firm had managers for 40 years +, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd had managers for about 10 years.

Apart from Dick Campbell,Ian McCall and John Mcglyn the others may be on a shooglie nail

 

[cappiecat]

We certainly weren't jumping the gun when sacking McPherson. His stats speak for themselves-

Played 24, won 3 (three).

[parsforlife]

Given we kept the worst manager in our history well beyond the point that became obvious I’d say absolutely not.

[HoBNob]

Hamilton should have Gus, Grant and Hopkin on a rolling basis till the end of the season then. 

[Trogdor]

Hopkin resigned and wasn't sacked.

[Hawkeye the Gnu]

f**k knows about Wright. I think he just walked off in the huff.

Edited December 19, 2021 by Hawkeye the Gnu

[oneteaminglasgow]

See the managers that have been sacked/resigned, there wasn’t a single one you would say didn’t deserve to go. Arguably, Ayr should have already punted their second manager of the season too, and it would be absolutely justified. 

[AsimButtHitsASix]

If anything our "board" were too quick to give that fucking haddie a new contract

[Hank Scorpio]

The issue this level of Scottish football has, and will continue to have, is that the quality of the merry-go-round managers is absolutely shit. McPherson, Hopkin, Grant, Canning, Rice, McIntyre, Adams, Johnston, McCann, Duffy et al are all garbage, but are always mentioned whenever a job at this level comes up. As long as this lot as kept in work, the turnover will remain high. Us and Arbroath are immensely lucky to have solid, dependable managers who care about the club at the helm. The appointments both clubs make after their current incumbent vacant their positions will be interesting. 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Hank Scorpio

[smc4761]

Fair do's Rice and Hopkin resigned but I believe that both would have been punted anyway, especially Rice, who is a puddin

[Get_The_Subs_On]

Yes

Both a symptom of a new era of entitlement in general 

It’s sad to see poorly paid Scottish managers go the way of the English Premiership - big difference being the managers down there are set for life, up here it impacts their livelihood

The situation on the St Johnstone thread shows absolutely no-one is safe from this nonsense  

[HoBNob]

1 hour ago, Hank Scorpio said:

The issue this level of Scottish football has, and will continue to have, is that the quality of the merry-go-round managers is absolutely shit. McPherson, Hopkin, Grant, Canning, Rice, McIntyre, Adams, Johnston, McCann, Duffy et al are all garbage, but are always mentioned whenever a job at this level comes up. As long as this lot as kept in work, the turnover will remain high. Us and Arbroath are immensely lucky to have solid, dependable managers who care about the club at the helm. The appointments both clubs make after their current incumbent vacant their positions will be interesting. 

Is McIntyre done that bad? Done well enough at us and QoTS, ok at County and bad at Dundee. Don't think he's at Peter Grant levels of uselessness yet. 

[Jacksgranda]

31 minutes ago, smc4761 said:

Fair do's Rice and Hopkin resigned but I believe that both would have been punted anyway, especially Rice, who is a puddin

Very good

[D'Jaffo]

There is a good argument to be made that McPherson and Hopkin should have been punted at the end of last season. Duffy is probably going to get the bullet soon as well. I don't think anyone else is under threat. If Accies don't sign well and are still shite come February then they may panic and sack Taylor but I can't see it happening. 

[Otis Blue]

It's a professional sport and the ultimate failure means relegation to a lower league which equals lower attendances which equals lower income which equals a smaller budget.  Hence why BODs react fairly quickly to such threats and why 50% of managers have gone in this league already.

The fans quite naturally want to see their team at least being competitive - OK at our level we probably ain't going to see a team that wins most weeks, but we want a team that will compete well during the season and provide some excitement now and again and give some hope that we can keep our place in the league for the next season.  Bring in social media to the equation, and fans can communicate/spread their frustrations really fast and that can quickly impact attendances which becomes a problem for the clubs income stream.  So BODs now also have to be attuned to what stuff's going on in social media - or at least the general tone of it, ignoring the more extreme stuff.

Are the BODs/fans too impatient?  Well, in part could it be down to the small size of these ten team leagues?  There's very little room for error - conceivably 20% could fall through the trapdoor in any season.  Alas, I'm of an age where I can remember the old two league structure where you had leagues of around 20/22 teams (can't remember the exact numbers) and so maybe only 10% max. of the division took the drop.  Now the counter to this is that the smaller leagues are considered to be more competitive with fewer meaningless games, hence more entertaining.  However, the price to pay is a more risky business environment, with BODs being less willing to cut their manager some slack, and managers having less time to build and develop their squads.

At the end of the day, I guess its the business landscape that drives the behaviours.

[Rob1885]

I'd guess that this is probably the worst full time league in the world and the standard of manager isnt any better.

[Finlay21]

6 hours ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

See the managers that have been sacked/resigned, there wasn’t a single one you would say didn’t deserve to go. Arguably, Ayr should have already punted their second manager of the season too, and it would be absolutely justified. 

Will not be too long 

[AmericanFan]

2 hours ago, Rob1885 said:

I'd guess that this is probably the worst full time league in the world and the standard of manager isnt any better.

What do Championship managers get paid?  £50K a year? £60K?  

[C4mmy31]

9 hours ago, Hawkeye the Gnu said:

f**k knows about Wright. I think he just walked off in the huff.

"Relieved of his duties" according to Bowie in the press release.

[Rob1885]

What do Championship managers get paid?  £50K a year? £60K?  

Aye I'd say so