Aim Here Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Yeah, that's fair enough. I suppose we are effectively trying to establish when someone who is ineligible can become eligible as a pick. Does her fame for raising awareness of the campaign, and her fundraising, exceed her initial fame for being ill, or does it permanently exclude her? Would, for example, Doreen Lawrence be eligible, if effectively she was famous for being the mother of a victim of a heinous crime? And was Chooky Embra himself actually eligible, given he was basically famous for being married to one of the most famous women in the world? I don't really care either way tbh, I just find it an interesting discussion, and it distracts me from the fact my team can't be botherd dying. I think the 'famous for being ill' rule and 'famous person's relative' rule are somewhat different in nature. With the 'famous for being ill' rule, that type of fame is ruled ineligible, so it's next to impossible for such a person to actually be a valid pick. With 'famous person's relative', the notion is that that, by itself, doesn't make someone famous, but it IS possible for such a person to actually become validly famous; the test is usually of the 'Has their own Wikipedia entry' ilk. Famous for being ill -> famous but a type of fame that is disqualified Famous person's relative -> not necessarily famous, but can become famous (even via their relationship with another person), so the likes of Doreen Lawrence and Sylvester Stallone's maw are legit picks. Anyways, the Duke of Edinburgh was a European Royal to begin with, so he'd have likely gotten a qualifying obit if he hadn't married Liz. Edited May 15, 2022 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Bishop Briggs said: It's you, however, who has nul points. You're obviously very bitter that your Aim Here, so far, has been off target . Absolutely. I'm trying to get everyone who's died so far this year rendered ineligible! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Old Brenda is looking very ill on ITV tonight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Maybe if we took away the big prize for the winner of the competition then players wouldn't become so obsessed with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Scottish guitarist and composer Ricky Gardiner has died, aged 73.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Gardiner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Beggars can't be choosers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 19 hours ago, Aim Here said: I think the 'famous for being ill' rule and 'famous person's relative' rule are somewhat different in nature. With the 'famous for being ill' rule, that type of fame is ruled ineligible, so it's next to impossible for such a person to actually be a valid pick. With 'famous person's relative', the notion is that that, by itself, doesn't make someone famous, but it IS possible for such a person to actually become validly famous; the test is usually of the 'Has their own Wikipedia entry' ilk. Famous for being ill -> famous but a type of fame that is disqualified Famous person's relative -> not necessarily famous, but can become famous (even via their relationship with another person), so the likes of Doreen Lawrence and Sylvester Stallone's maw are legit picks. Anyways, the Duke of Edinburgh was a European Royal to begin with, so he'd have likely gotten a qualifying obit if he hadn't married Liz. The invalid pick I mentioned yesterday was for Harvey Price. I thought he fell under both categories. I was thinking today about who would actually, genuinely qualify as "famous" for being ill. Deborah James you could argue has her podcast and her column and her fundraising. Is anyone who is terminally ill going to be famed for that unless they publicise it somehow? I think the closest I could think of was the Elephant Man and we're quite past that as a society. I can see a new Lauren Hill rule coming in, purely to save myself the headache of trying to work this out (and it not being fair on people hedging their bets on whether someone qualifies or not). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Miguel Sanchez said: The invalid pick I mentioned yesterday was for Harvey Price. I thought he fell under both categories. I was thinking today about who would actually, genuinely qualify as "famous" for being ill. Deborah James you could argue has her podcast and her column and her fundraising. Is anyone who is terminally ill going to be famed for that unless they publicise it somehow? I think the closest I could think of was the Elephant Man and we're quite past that as a society. I can see a new Lauren Hill rule coming in, purely to save myself the headache of trying to work this out (and it not being fair on people hedging their bets on whether someone qualifies or not). The perks of 'high office' mate, things evolve. Its a good job P&B is populated by balanced and reasonable types who will understand your position........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyAnchor Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 4 hours ago, chomp my root said: The perks of 'high office' mate, things evolve. Its a good job P&B is populated by balanced and reasonable types who will understand your position........ I think it's the worst decision since a French chauffeur said "Sure, I'll drive Di and Dodi doon la tunnel". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.V.T. Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Things are not OK for Kay Mellor at 71 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 11 hours ago, BillyAnchor said: I think it's the worst decision since a French chauffeur said "Sure, I'll drive Di and Dodi doon la tunnel". I'm not sure that was a bad decision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Ex Bowie and Iggy guitarist Ricky Gardiner is deid -born in Edinburgh, apparently! Played on Lust for Life, ironically, Decent career for a local lad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawpar Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 I take it with Aaron Ramsey missing that penalty the celebrities can sleep well tonight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.V.T. Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Vangelis reaches the finishing line at 79 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Vangelis reaches the finishing line at 79 If he gets cremated will it be a Chariot of Fire? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Plenty rain and tears. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar P Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Genuinely saddened to hear of Vangelis' death. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Florentine_Pogen said: Genuinely saddened to hear of Vangelis' death. Me too, hope he's found his way home... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Lurkst said: Me too, hope he's found his way home... Yes. Edited May 19, 2022 by Tony Ferrino 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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