Jump to content

Arthur Labinjo-Hughes case


ICTChris

Recommended Posts

39 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Documentary on ITV1 about this case now.  Just utterly horrific.  Two horrible, horrible adults and one chilling teenager. 

A very tough watch. 3 horrendous people under one roof and a wee lad who had no chance. Heartbreaking.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Busta Nut said:

I am sorry but I'd have no problem putting these people down.

No need to apologise. There have been numerous cases down the years involving the rape and murder of children (since the advent of DNA evidence and forensic science) where the death sentence should IMO be applied.
It’s a difficult topic for people to discuss but I believe our society has become too liberal and many of these child murdering/rapist b*****ds get away with multiple crimes and don’t even get a life sentence.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, SuperSaints1877 said:

No need to apologise. There have been numerous cases down the years involving the rape and murder of children (since the advent of DNA evidence and forensic science) where the death sentence should IMO be applied.
It’s a difficult topic for people to discuss but I believe our society has become too liberal and many of these child murdering/rapist b*****ds get away with multiple crimes and don’t even get a life sentence.

Corrupt/inept policing and the possibility of innocent people swinging should surely ensure that the death sentence is never re introduced, no matter how emotive the subject.

Have a look at the Stefan Kiszko case from the 70s if you aren't familiar with it, a perfect example of an unusual but ultimately innocent man who would have hung had capital punishment been in place at the time.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, bobbykdy said:

Corrupt/inept policing and the possibility of innocent people swinging should surely ensure that the death sentence is never re introduced, no matter how emotive the subject.

Have a look at the Stefan Kiszko case from the 70s if you aren't familiar with it, a perfect example of an unusual but ultimately innocent man who would have hung had capital punishment been in place at the time.

I understand that and know the case you refer to. Corruption exists in many forms in our society.

However I did imply that since the advent of DNA evidence and forensic science it is far easier to secure an accurate conviction. If anyone were to murder or rape my kids I’m not sure how I would deal with it. There seems to be poor deterrents currently in place to stop these evil people. 

Many of these individuals receive a short term in jail in a cushy isolation wing and are often then given a new identity when released early. 

As I said it’s a divisive issue. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Give it time. Capital punishment will be right back on the table once we withdraw from the ECHR.

America gives us a fair idea of what governments do with that kind of power over their citizens, so that'll be nice.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, SuperSaints1877 said:

I understand that and know the case you refer to. Corruption exists in many forms in our society.

However I did imply that since the advent of DNA evidence and forensic science it is far easier to secure an accurate conviction. If anyone were to murder or rape my kids I’m not sure how I would deal with it. There seems to be poor deterrents currently in place to stop these evil people. 

Many of these individuals receive a short term in jail in a cushy isolation wing and are often then given a new identity when released early. 

As I said it’s a divisive issue. 

The three fuckers on the documentary mentioned earlier were given 29, 28 & 15 years respectively. Making them serve every single day of that would be a good start IMO.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You’ve no idea how common it is. Unfortunately prosecutors seem incredibly unwilling to prosecute parents for neglect. 
What punishment do you think a parent should receive for leaving children at home alone?
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, SuperSaints1877 said:

I understand that and know the case you refer to. Corruption exists in many forms in our society.

However I did imply that since the advent of DNA evidence and forensic science it is far easier to secure an accurate conviction. If anyone were to murder or rape my kids I’m not sure how I would deal with it. There seems to be poor deterrents currently in place to stop these evil people. 

Many of these individuals receive a short term in jail in a cushy isolation wing and are often then given a new identity when released early. 

As I said it’s a divisive issue. 

Fair enough if you think some sentences aren't strong enough but only braindead morons want the death penalty back. Can you tell me how many criminals have been given new identities on leaving prison in the UK? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, SuperSaints1877 said:

I understand that and know the case you refer to. Corruption exists in many forms in our society.

However I did imply that since the advent of DNA evidence and forensic science it is far easier to secure an accurate conviction. If anyone were to murder or rape my kids I’m not sure how I would deal with it. There seems to be poor deterrents currently in place to stop these evil people. 

Many of these individuals receive a short term in jail in a cushy isolation wing and are often then given a new identity when released early. 

As I said it’s a divisive issue. 

Before I got married and acquired a couple of (fairly) young stepchildren (not to mention the bigger ones) I got myself in quite an emotional tizzy once (probably because there had been a horrific child murder) thinking about how I would react if anything like that happened to my nephews, who were just bairns at the time. Of course, nothing remotely like that happened to them.

Now, when I read about this sort of thing, I look at my stepgrandchildren and ask myself how can anybody do such a thing to wee bairns, who more than likely trust you and love you? It sends a shiver up my spine, tbh.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Children that age not only need protection from harm - you also want them to think the world is a fun and happy place.  I know I did at that age.

Sending these people to prison will give them a lot of time to reflect on their actions.  They will probably never see each other again.  Even if it is not "Devil's Island", I seriously doubt it is actually fun to be there and I believe it will always be less fun than not being there.

None of them are getting out unless it is deemed safe to do so.  Even after they get out - they are still being monitored and can be sent back at any time.  That will be true for the rest of their lives.

Look at Colin Pitchfork, who was the first killer to be caught using DNA evidence (as seen in the BBC drama "Code of a Killer"). He was sentenced to 30 years.  He got it reduced to 28 years.  After 33 years he was released.  Soon after he was caught breaching the terms of his release - he was talking to some young girls.  He was recalled to prison and that is where he is now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fair enough if you think some sentences aren't strong enough but only braindead morons want the death penalty back. Can you tell me how many criminals have been given new identities on leaving prison in the UK? 
It's such a cliche, that folks penchant for violence gets preceded but imagining some vile scenario befalling their kids...

I'm sure there was a comedy sketch about it a few years bacl with two blokes in the pub one upping eachother with the things they would do to someone who hurt their family.

New identities and cushy isolation wings also ticking a few boxes.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, Busta Nut said:

I am sorry but I'd have no problem putting these people down.

I can totally understand that POV, however I think a more fitting punishment are long AF sentences, which to be fair seem to have been dished out here. The two adults will hopefully serve out their entire sentences. 10,000+ days of looking over your shoulder every fucking day is probably worse than spending a couple of years on a death row before being put out of your misery. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

We live in a democracy and we have chosen to follow a path where we elect sociopathic leaders who are solely interested in living the pockets of their sociopathic friends’ and families’ pockets. Huge profits are extracted from public bodies to allow raw sewage to pump into the sea, the police left to deal with social service problems out of hours etc. 73% of police call-outs in Scotland result in no crime being recorded. They’re sitting with folk in A&E who need mental health support but can’t get it as those services are so underfunded.

To suggest harsher punishment is some sort of deterrent is a joke. Just look at America and its prison occupancy. 


 


 

Edited by Shandön Par
Link to comment
Share on other sites

As a parent with one kid the same age and one slightly younger, it gives me a shiver down my spine to think of anything like that happening to a child that age. Horrific. I can’t bring myself to read the story. The only crumb of comfort is that the wee boy doesn’t have to suffer anymore

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, energyzone said:
17 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:
You’ve no idea how common it is. Unfortunately prosecutors seem incredibly unwilling to prosecute parents for neglect. 

What punishment do you think a parent should receive for leaving children at home alone?

Its not the leaving children home alone part, its the harm they are exposed to. So if they are of a level of maturity where they can look after themselves, get help if they need it, access to a phone, food etc then thats fine. Im talking about examples of anything from babies to 6/7 year olds left in houses which were dirty, had street drugs lying around the place, no heating etc whilst the parent was socialising or drinking in a friends house. Now in terms of punishment its incredibly difficult because if you jail the parent then you’re punishing the child too (in a sense). But its clearly a bigger issue in society than people think and the unwillingness to prosecute for it is alarming. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The teenager will get a new identity upon release and no doubt offend again. Luckily the other 2 will probably die in prison.

I don’t want to sound like I’m blaming others but this is another thing where you wonder how people missed the signs either that something  was going on or that the teen isn’t wired quite right. The teenager apparently used to ask other kids to play murder games and if he could put them into black bags, wtf?. Cole was apparently heard by a support worker singing a song about punching kids in the head.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, Scotty Tunbridge said:

The teenager will get a new identity upon release and no doubt offend again. Luckily the other 2 will probably die in prison.

I don’t want to sound like I’m blaming others but this is another thing where you wonder how people missed the signs either that something  was going on or that the teen isn’t wired quite right. The teenager apparently used to ask other kids to play murder games and if he could put them into black bags, wtf?. Cole was apparently heard by a support worker singing a song about punching kids in the head.

Surely if the teenager was to get anonymity for life he wouldn't have been named? 

As far as I can see from my quick Google searches there have been a total of 6 criminals granted life long anonymity in the UK. It's not an easy thing to have approved and I would assume given this lads face and name is all over the internet already that he isn't eligible. 

Edited by The Moonster
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, Fullerene said:

Sending these people to prison will give them a lot of time to reflect on their actions.  They will probably never see each other again.  Even if it is not "Devil's Island", I seriously doubt it is actually fun to be there and I believe it will always be less fun than not being there.

None of them are getting out unless it is deemed safe to do so.  Even after they get out - they are still being monitored and can be sent back at any time.  That will be true for the rest of their lives.

There are way too many people who've been manipulated into believing that jail is a holiday camp, and that relentless, gruelling punishment should be a prison's primary function.

Everything seems to point to that being a terrible strategy, for offenders, victims, and broader society as a whole, but you get the impression that feeding the base instincts of revenge and hate are more important to some people - witness the common violent fantasies people like to share about avenging fictitious crimes committed against their families. That, and there's a good deal of "common sense" rhetoric and distrust of experts when it comes to criminal justice in particular.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, BFTD said:

There are way too many people who've been manipulated into believing that jail is a holiday camp, and that relentless, gruelling punishment should be a prison's primary function.

Everything seems to point to that being a terrible strategy, for offenders, victims, and broader society as a whole, but you get the impression that feeding the base instincts of revenge and hate are more important to some people - witness the common violent fantasies people like to share about avenging fictitious crimes committed against their families. That, and there's a good deal of "common sense" rhetoric and distrust of experts when it comes to criminal justice in particular.

I wonder how many people who think that have ever visited one? I was always glad to be on the free side of the door/gate when it was locked.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...