The Master Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Hibs v Cove is left-field enough, but Thursday night...? Obviously no surprises with the Premier picks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillips455 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, The Master said: Hibs v Cove is left-field enough, but Thursday night...? Obviously no surprises with the Premier picks. Premier Sports took the Friday evening kick off spot so the BBC needed a different time. Strange though that it's a Thursday. I would have assumed it would be Sunday instead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 People who pay money for Premier Sports 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Phillips455 said: Premier Sports took the Friday evening kick off spot so the BBC needed a different time. Strange though that it's a Thursday. I would have assumed it would be Sunday instead. It seems odd that Premier aren't using Sunday 4pm, a slot they've been keen on for the SC and LC. There is a full round of Premiership fixtures the following midweek, but these are all on Wednesday and Sky have made their TV pick so there's no footballing reasons not to use Sunday (for either broadcaster). Even if it's a case of one game has to go on the BBC Scotland channel, Hibs v Cove could have been Saturday 7.45, and Auchinleck v Hearts on Sunday....whenever on BBC One. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Surprised no one picked up Kelty Hearts v Saint Johnstone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Hibs v Cove, on preceding Thursday, is odd tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 On 29/11/2021 at 21:50, Lex said: Peterhead v East Kilbride Clydebank v Annan Banks o’ Dee v Raith Rovers Motherwell v ICT or Morton Kelty or Montrose v St Johnstone LivI v Ross County Dumbarton v Dundee Aberdeen v Edinburgh City Rangers v Stirling Albion Ayr Utd v St Mirren Killie v Dundee Utd Hibs v Cove Rangers Patrick Thistle v Airdrie Auchinleck Talbot v Hearts Alloa v Celtic Arbroath v Brechin or Darvel Ayr away. Not the most exotic but still. Direct train from Paisley and we will take a big crowd down there. Lot of good memories of Somerset over the years. 20 clubs in from the lower Divisions plus Tier 5 and below. Now we know that this time 8 out of this 20 weren't even in the SPFL in 2015/16 or are still not there. Just 12 SPFL clubs through out of 30 entered. Still no automatic relegation for the bottom SPFL club? How much longer can this go on? Even the Lowland League has an automatic relegation spot! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Dev said: 20 clubs in from the lower Divisions plus Tier 5 and below. Now we know that this time 8 out of this 20 weren't even in the SPFL in 2015/16 or are still not there. Just 12 SPFL clubs through out of 30 entered. Still no automatic relegation for the bottom SPFL club? How much longer can this go on? Even the Lowland League has an automatic relegation spot! Why was this not addressed when the pyramid was first introduced ? Surely , even back then , the forward thinking progressive tier 5 clubs were not as naive as think that would be addressed further down the line ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Because they'd have received an answer of "lol no" from clubs like yours. It was either this or nothing, basically. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, theoriginalhedge said: Why was this not addressed when the pyramid was first introduced ? Surely , even back then , the forward thinking progressive tier 5 clubs were not as naive as think that would be addressed further down the line ? Its not like the clubs outside of what would become the SPFL had any sway in things. Still don't, as has been seen with the token inclusion during SPFL reconstruction talks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Dev said: 20 clubs in from the lower Divisions plus Tier 5 and below. Now we know that this time 8 out of this 20 weren't even in the SPFL in 2015/16 or are still not there. Just 12 SPFL clubs through out of 30 entered. Still no automatic relegation for the bottom SPFL club? How much longer can this go on? Even the Lowland League has an automatic relegation spot! Given that there is precisely one team out of 34 entrants from tier 5 in the draw, your tantrum about the lack of automatic relegation from the SPFL is utter bollocks. Why should the SPFL accept automatic promotion from a crap grade whose teams who can't beat Darvel or Sauchie Juniors? When the Highland and Lowland Leagues are fit for purpose (which they will be soon enough), then that change should be made. Not before though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Because they'd have received an answer of "lol no" from clubs like yours. It was either this or nothing, basically. 2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Its not like the clubs outside of what would become the SPFL had any sway in things. Still don't, as has been seen with the token inclusion during SPFL reconstruction talks. Exactly that . Not an easy decision but the agreement was grudgingly accepted . My point is that the tier 5 clubs must have known then that it was never going to change from this format. Ironically, I personally think the pyramid would never have come about in the first instance had a place not been required for Rangers at the time . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, virginton said: Given that there is precisely one team out of 34 entrants from tier 5 in the draw, your tantrum about the lack of automatic relegation from the SPFL is utter bollocks. Why should the SPFL accept automatic promotion from a crap grade whose teams who can't beat Darvel or Sauchie Juniors? When the Highland and Lowland Leagues are fit for purpose (which they will be soon enough), then that change should be made. Not before though. Did Darvel not beat an SPFL club at the first attempt ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, theoriginalhedge said: Ironically, I personally think the pyramid would never have come about in the first instance had a place not been required for Rangers at the time . Rangers were admitted to the SFL in 2012, taking the place of Dundee, who were promoted to the SPL to replace Rangers. The pyramid was only created in 2013 when Rangers were already part of the SFL. The creation of the pyramid was part of the agreement which allowed the SPFL merger to go ahead. Edited December 15, 2021 by craigkillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Rangers were admitted to the SFL in 2012, taking the place of Dundee, who were promoted to the SPL to replace Rangers. The pyramid was only created in 2013 when Rangers were already part of the SFL. The creation of the pyramid was part of the agreement which allowed the SPFL merger to go ahead. Cannae wait til they go burst again and need to spend a season playing Campbeltown Pupils and Finnart in the WoSFL 4th Division. Only joking. Campbeltown will be in the WoSFL 3rd Division by then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Rangers were admitted to the SFL in 2012, taking the place of Dundee, who were promoted to the SPL to replace Rangers. The pyramid was only created in 2013 when Rangers were already part of the SFL. The creation of the pyramid was part of the agreement which allowed the SPFL merger to go ahead. We have discussed this before . You have already suggested that there was no space in the SFL for Spartans when Rangers were admitted , but in reality there was. I still maintain that the timing of events in 2012 meant a compromise had to be reached to avoid a similar situation happening again and the lower league clubs continually missing out. Hence the creation of the pyramid which was put together for commencement in 2013 . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, theoriginalhedge said: We have discussed this before . You have already suggested that there was no space in the SFL for Spartans when Rangers were admitted , but in reality there was. I still maintain that the timing of events in 2012 meant a compromise had to be reached to avoid a similar situation happening again and the lower league clubs continually missing out. Hence the creation of the pyramid which was put together for commencement in 2013 . The pyramid was being worked on from the 2011 SFA AGM onwards. It was part of an overall plan to bring about reconstruction in the national leagues to form one league body once again. This probably never would have went anywhere though if it hadn't been for Rangers going bust. Being part of the package meant it slipped through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said: The pyramid was being worked on from the 2011 SFA AGM onwards. It was part of an overall plan to bring about reconstruction in the national leagues to form one league body once again. This probably never would have went anywhere though if it hadn't been for Rangers going bust. Being part of the package meant it slipped through. Which basically ties in with my earlier comments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanMan Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 hour ago, virginton said: Given that there is precisely one team out of 34 entrants from tier 5 in the draw, your tantrum about the lack of automatic relegation from the SPFL is utter bollocks. Why should the SPFL accept automatic promotion from a crap grade whose teams who can't beat Darvel or Sauchie Juniors? When the Highland and Lowland Leagues are fit for purpose (which they will be soon enough), then that change should be made. Not before though. Although given that there are 4 Tier 6 clubs in the last 32, and they have played 10 games v teams higher and not lost one, with 90% played infront of crowds of over 1,000. Are these clubs not being held back by the lack of opportunity and the self preservation of SPFL teams? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Let's see? Auchinleck Talbot Banks O'Dee Clydebank Cove Rangers Darvel East Kilbride Edinburgh City Kelty Hearts Three have won promotion play-offs to SPFL2 with some LL /HL play off clubs not making the step up because they lost a play-off against a bottom SPFL2 side. With automatic relegation another three(?) sides would have reached SPFL2. We will never know if the likes of Brora Rangers etc would have survived at the next step up or if relegated sides would have bounced straight back up. It's the unfair rules currently in place that prevents anyone from finding out. Interesting that it would not apparently have strengthened Tier 5 if three "stronger" SPFL sides had been relegated? OH! OK then! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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