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3 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Ukraine have better players than Wales.

Wales' team comprises of 10 EFL Championship jobbers plus Bale.

 

Yes, but annoyingly, the term ‘more than the sum of it’s parts’ was invented for this Wales squad. 

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Yes, but annoyingly, the term ‘more than the sum of it’s parts’ was invented for this Wales squad. 


And the term ‘less than the sum of its parts’ was invented for…
I’m not sure if the Welsh will beat them, hopefully not. I am sure they will give them a much tougher test than we did.
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Wales are 18th in the world rankings. Ukraine are 27th.

Incidentally, had we made the world cup we'd have been, by far, the lowest ranked team in our group. England are ranked 5th, USA 15th and Iran 21st. We're ranked 39th.

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The World Rankings are a crock of shit in fairness, particularly in terms of not keeping up with teams who are vastly improving or quickly declining. They're also pointless for comparing teams across continents since there simply aren't enough cross-continental matches for the system to get it right.

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I said in advance I was more worried about Ukraine and, if we got past them, Small Part of England than I was about England, Iran or USA. I'd stand by that. We've passed up a great chance to make an impact on the world stage.

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3 hours ago, TheScarf said:

Yes, but annoyingly, the term ‘more than the sum of it’s parts’ was invented for this Wales squad. 

Iceland in 2016 surely.

Wales are a bit of a gang, would be putting my money on Ukraine.

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This has probably been covered multiple times in this thread but what’s this obsession with out-swinging corners? Statistically, out-swingers are the least effective method of taking them. The Ukraine keeper was garbage - why not swing it in and get the big players right on top of him? This brings me on to my next point as well - I like Dykes but would he be better off the bench? After 75 mins Ukraine were out on their feet. Maybe that would be the time to bring him on instead of having Hanley charging around like that Reebok advert from the late 90s.

Was listening to a podcast earlier where Don Hutchinson said he thought Aaron Hickey was “exceptional”. That wasn’t how I’d have described his performance…

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I'm probably just going to repeat what has been said already but...

I haven't felt that disappointed leaving Hampden in a long long time. To go from the performance against Denmark to that was baffling. Lumping the ball up to dykes all first half rather than the football/set up we played against Denmark. Not going to pick out individuals because I wouldnt say there was any worse than any other. Collectively just really really poor. Ukraine looked so calm and composed. No panic whatsoever. On paper they aren't any better than us. On the grass it was men against boys.  The calls for Clarkes head is ridiculous though. Yes he got it wrong but I genuinely believe the players love playing under him and the connection between the fans/players/staff has been as good as its been in many a years. BUT he needs to start learning from his mistakes and adapting. We were found out badly on Wednesday.

 

Additional thoughts - Any other game/opponent and their striker is sent off (second yellow) for going to the crowd . Obviously the occasion was in the refs head which i really hoped wouldn't be the case but it was. 

Tierneys injury was massive. What a big player he is for us when fit. 

There is far too much pressure being put on Gilmour. I really he hope he gets a good run somewhere this year and develops with some pressure off. He isn't our 'saviour' YET. The ukraine Midfield looked head and shoulders above anything we had. 

Hopefully the guys bounce back on Wednesday with a good performance and result!

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7 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Ukraine have better players than Wales.

Wales' team comprises of 10 EFL Championship jobbers plus Bale.

 

As they have been for years and over achieving. I wouldn't  bet it either way.

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This has probably been covered multiple times in this thread but what’s this obsession with out-swinging corners? Statistically, out-swingers are the least effective method of taking them. The Ukraine keeper was garbage - why not swing it in and get the big players right on top of him? This brings me on to my next point as well - I like Dykes but would he be better off the bench? After 75 mins Ukraine were out on their feet. Maybe that would be the time to bring him on instead of having Hanley charging around like that Reebok advert from the late 90s.

Was listening to a podcast earlier where Don Hutchinson said he thought Aaron Hickey was “exceptional”. That wasn’t how I’d have described his performance…

Our set pieces have been effective since McPhee came in (goals vs Israel, Denmark, Poland, Austria) but they did not work at all on Wednesday.
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This stuff about a second yellow for the lad running to the fans is really grasping at straws. Were there really safety concerns for running towards his own fans? I'd say not even close.

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4 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

This stuff about a second yellow for the lad running to the fans is really grasping at straws. Were there really safety concerns for running towards his own fans? I'd say not even close.

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He climbed onto the Perimeter fence so yes a booking all day. There in black and white 

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4 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

This stuff about a second yellow for the lad running to the fans is really grasping at straws. Were there really safety concerns for running towards his own fans? I'd say not even close.

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I’ve not been able to bring myself to watch the highlights yet, but I thought at the time he’d jumped into the crowd. If he hasn’t then it’s not bookable I don’t think.

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The whole booking a player for celebrating like that seems to be something that refs in Scotland are really strict on which just doesn't seem to get punished with the same regularity elsewhere. Similarly you can confidently predict if you'll get a ton of added time or not on a lot of occasions based on where the ref is from.

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8 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

What fence?

The fence/wall in front of the fans. he was standing on it. BUT i agree, that was the least of our worries through out Wednesday night. Just thought it was poor that the affairs surrounding the game obviously played on the refs mind though

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Our set pieces have been effective since McPhee came in (goals vs Israel, Denmark, Poland, Austria) but they did not work at all on Wednesday.

The Denmark goal was from exactly that type of corner too, it didn't work the other night but you'd think from the reaction that we were playing 85 yard backpasses to Gordon from them all.
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