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That's the most gutted I've been in a long time watching Scotland, probably Italy in 07 levels. Brilliant qualifying campaign and into a play-off for a good chance at the world cup, at home too.

Players looked so leggy and played as though THEY were the away team, and unsurprisingly when they woke up at 0-2 Ukraine looked bang average, until we retreat into our shell again. Playing 2 similar old-fashioned CB's doesn't work in the 3 defenders, we needed another ball playing defender to give more options, which seemed pretty clear from the stands. But to watch the midfield as passive as that after routing Denmark is beyond disappointing, as others have pointed out the similarities with Czech and Croatia game, we need to have a plan B for dealing with teams who circumvent our formation.

Had we pressed and ran our legs off from KO the crowd would have been hounding Ukraine out the stadium, and most likely we would be playing Wales.

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Just now, Self-raising Lazarus said:

That's the most gutted I've been in a long time watching Scotland, probably Italy in 07 levels. Brilliant qualifying campaign and into a play-off for a good chance at the world cup, at home too.

Players looked so leggy and played as though THEY were the away team, and unsurprisingly when they woke up at 0-2 Ukraine looked bang average, until we retreat into our shell again. Playing 2 similar old-fashioned CB's doesn't work in the 3 defenders, we needed another ball playing defender to give more options, which seemed pretty clear from the stands. But to watch the midfield as passive as that after routing Denmark is beyond disappointing, as others have pointed out the similarities with Czech and Croatia game, we need to have a plan B for dealing with teams who circumvent our formation.

Had we pressed and ran our legs off from KO the crowd would have been hounding Ukraine out the stadium, and most likely we would be playing Wales.


 

The leggy point is something that needs hammered home. A lot of us, myself include, had complacently believed that half the Ukrainian side not kicking a ball in a competitive game since December was a disadvantage from their perspective. In reality, our side were absolutely knackered at the end of a long season and they were fresh and raring to go. 

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1 minute ago, Phillips455 said:

After last night's result, I think I have finally given up on the Scotland team. A chance to get to the world cup, against a weakened oppoment at home and nearly no one shows up for the game.

 

Players like Robertson and Hickey were just awful. People moaned about SOD but atleast he would have tried.

 

The trust in the scotland squad that has been built over the past few years has gone for me. And I don't see where it can be fixed.

Aye the lads out there never tried right enough. What absolute toffee such a lazy view.

The usual mass hysteria will ensue and likely Robertson made a scapegoat but let's be honest apart from possibly McGregor not one outfield player turned up last night. It wasn't for lack of trying they were all just utterly honking technically and tactically.

Clarke will get a bit of the blame but he made a change at half time that anyone watching the game would call for - Christie or Armstrong for a striker to plug the midfield gaps by dropping in. Within a minute or so we are 2-0 down due to dog shit defending and the manager can't legislate for that. Two of our lads out muscled by one of theirs, basic stuff.

You can go on about X,Y and Z until the coos come hame but ultimately we were a mile off it and the best team by an absolute mile won the game. Their four players of real quality turned up and put on a clinic (Yarmo, Zinchenko, Malinovsky, Yeremchuk) and we just didn't have an answer. We go on about all our great midfield options but really none of what we have are on the level of Zinchenko or Malinovsky and that was brutally exposed last night.

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4 minutes ago, Donathan said:

The leggy point is something that needs hammered home. A lot of us, myself include, had complacently believed that half the Ukrainian side not kicking a ball in a competitive game since December was a disadvantage from their perspective. In reality, our side were absolutely knackered at the end of a long season and they were fresh and raring to go. 

look at the Wales Poland game i posted earlier

why were neither of them leggy and knackered after a long season?

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7 minutes ago, Neilly said:

Aye the lads out there never tried right enough. What absolute toffee such a lazy view.

The usual mass hysteria will ensue and likely Robertson made a scapegoat but let's be honest apart from possibly McGregor not one outfield player turned up last night. It wasn't for lack of trying they were all just utterly honking technically and tactically.

Clarke will get a bit of the blame but he made a change at half time that anyone watching the game would call for - Christie or Armstrong for a striker to plug the midfield gaps by dropping in. Within a minute or so we are 2-0 down due to dog shit defending and the manager can't legislate for that. Two of our lads out muscled by one of theirs, basic stuff.

You can go on about X,Y and Z until the coos come hame but ultimately we were a mile off it and the best team by an absolute mile won the game. Their four players of real quality turned up and put on a clinic (Yarmo, Zinchenko, Malinovsky, Yeremchuk) and we just didn't have an answer. We go on about all our great midfield options but really none of what we have are on the level of Zinchenko or Malinovsky and that was brutally exposed last night.

Kille and Motherwell fans would defend SOD if he shouted fuck you and blootered the ball in his own net whilst playing for Scotland.  Some hold he's got over them.

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1 minute ago, TheScarf said:

Kille and Motherwell fans would defend SOD if he shouted f**k you and blootered the ball in his own net whilst playing for Scotland.  Some hold he's got over them.

He’s barely put a foot wrong for Scotland and was particularly impressive in the Denmark victory and at Wembley. He remains our best RB/RWB option apart from Nathan Patterson and given that NP is rotting on the bench at Everton, he might well be the best one full stop. 

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Just now, Donathan said:

He’s barely put a foot wrong for Scotland and was particularly impressive in the Denmark victory and at Wembley. He remains our best RB/RWB option apart from Nathan Patterson and given that NP is rotting on the bench at Everton, he might well be the best one full stop. 

I'm not debating that.  But he's immune to criticism from some of those clubs fans.

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1 minute ago, TheScarf said:

I'm not debating that.  But he's immune to criticism from some of those clubs fans.

I mean if he actually fucked up then by all means criticise him. I’m not exactly sure what criticism he deserves though. 

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Hickey wasn’t the problem last night. When we switched to the back four, he was fine. The problem was we were in the wrong setup to begin with, which exposed our full backs and midfield time and time again. 

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2 minutes ago, Donathan said:

I mean if he actually fucked up then by all means criticise him. I’m not exactly sure what criticism he deserves though. 

The comment was Robertson and Hickey didn't give a fuck and SOD would.  A completely daft thing to say and screams SOD can do no wrong in some peoples eyes.

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7 hours ago, Ludo*1 said:

It highlights what a disaster it was that Clarke's Scotland completely fucked the last Nation's group for the WC back up opportunity

I'm not sure what you mean, here. We earned a better playoff opportunity through the qualifiers.

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We were fucking grim.  The inability to trap a 10-15 yard pass from some of our players is an absolute embarrassment.  Apart from Danny Mullen I don't think I've ever disliked a striker as much as Dykes.  Big stupid baldy c**t.

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While I do think there's a very good chance we'd have taken it to extra time if McGinn's header had gone in, over the piece we were well and truly Czech Republic-ed and Croatia-ed. Disappointing.

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5 minutes ago, eez-eh said:

It is Supras.

At least 3% of P&B was found to be Supras at the last census.

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1 hour ago, Aufc said:


Agree with you on the ralston comment. However, my only moan about hickey is that he refused call ups to the 21s so he obviously thought he was too big time for it.

Or he didn't want to travel across Europe to have Scott Gemmill roaring at him to "launch it" for 90 minutes.

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8 hours ago, Ludo*1 said:

It highlights what a disaster it was that Clarke's Scotland completely fucked the last Nation's group for the WC back up opportunity.


Your "non-football pals" would probably have a better grasp of how this whole thing worked than you do. We could have won all our Nations League games 1000-0 and we'd still have been playing Ukraine at Hampden last night.

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