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34 minutes ago, Coooombe said:

Nah it was obvious. They literally sat with their centre backs with the ball at their feet on the 6 yard line while their forwards went 3v3 against our centre halfs. As soon as our midfield moved forward they hit the big striker and, as our midfield never tracks runners, were 4 or 5 on 3 numerous times. 

So despite our successful pressing game, their centre backs had loads of time with the ball at their feet?

Ok.

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Not sure I agree with Dykes+Adams never working, as bad as the partnership was tonight. They've been incredibly helpful together in some big games, but this wasn't suited for it. 

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22 minutes ago, J_Stewart said:

The Ukrainian team are staying in my hotel. Every one of the rude c***s just walked past me without apologising for ruining my night. Selfish arseholes.

Scotland were also very bad at the football. Very, very bad.

Hit the fire alarm at 3am

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For all the media chat around 'these guys have only played a couple of friendlies, haven't played competitive football for months' etc...what about the fact that the squad contains players from Man City, Everton, West Ham, Real Madrid, Benfica, Atalanta etc? Think we were lulled into this 'they aren't match sharp' mindset, when most of their players had played a full season at a high level.
This is also a side which were undefeated in qualifiers including 2 games against France, and when all that is added together is that a side that Scotland should be expecting to just kind of turn up to beat?
It has echoes of the "Croatia are an ageing side" speil, sadly
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28 minutes ago, J_Stewart said:

The Ukrainian team are staying in my hotel. Every one of the rude c***s just walked past me without apologising for ruining my night. Selfish arseholes.

Scotland were also very bad at the football. Very, very bad.

My lady friend swims there....she said they were VERY tall.

No shit.😒 

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3 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Zinchenko, a LB for Man City is a far better midfielder than anyone in our lot.

Midfield is Zinchenko's natural and best position. He has played LB because Man City have not signed a decent back-up in recent years.

Benjamin Mendy has just been charged with another rape (9th?) and will be tried next month. City will need at least one LB in this window.

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Zinchenko often stands out in a bad way for City, but surround him with worse players and he looks fucking excellent technically. Suppose that's what you get with Man City players but I was surprised. 

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It was a disappointing night which can happen, but the team has done well for the most part through qualifying.

I don't think we are as good as many supporters think we are and when it come to Tournament football or Playoff games it can be a bit hit or miss: we can step up on big occasions, but we can also be outclassed, I think that lack of consistency tells us where we are as a footballing nation - Not bad, but still a bit to go yet. 

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11 minutes ago, Gordopolis said:
18 minutes ago, Jedi said:
For all the media chat around 'these guys have only played a couple of friendlies, haven't played competitive football for months' etc...what about the fact that the squad contains players from Man City, Everton, West Ham, Real Madrid, Benfica, Atalanta etc? Think we were lulled into this 'they aren't match sharp' mindset, when most of their players had played a full season at a high level.
This is also a side which were undefeated in qualifiers including 2 games against France, and when all that is added together is that a side that Scotland should be expecting to just kind of turn up to beat?

It has echoes of the "Croatia are an ageing side" speil, sadly

Whereas the fact that 'Scotland aren't very good' gets conveniently ignored. 

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Well that was a fkn shambles from start to finish. Utterly fkn embarrassing from Scotland there can be no excuse for that performance tonight. Stood off them like it was a pre-season friendly and let them stroll about like they were Brazil 1970 fkn disgraceful for a wc semi playoff. 

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Just back home from the game. Fucking hell we were awful. As soon as I heard we were playing 2 strikers I feared we would be swamped in midfield just as we were v Croatia in the Euros. 
Yet again I make a plea that we stop this fucking nonsense of playing McTominay as a central defender. He was absolutely awful tonight. 
Clarke got the team wrong tonight and it was clear very early on that the shape wasn’t working. We were fortunate the margin of defeat wasn’t greater. 

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32 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Zinchenko, a LB for Man City is a far better midfielder than anyone in our lot.

He’s miles and miles ahead of guys like McGregor and McGinn hence the fact he plays for Man City. Don’t see why anyone is surprised tbh.

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Well, at least it wasn't Wales...

I'd honestly like to know what the plan was there. If they played to the gameplan, then I can only assume they were told to be incredibly passive and essentially wait until Ukraine made mistakes. Then make a vague forward pass to either Dykes head, or for Adams/McGinn to fall over. Absolute shitebag behaviour from pretty much everyone on the pitch, and Ukraine must've felt like all their Christmases came at once. Its hard to say just how bad we were without feeling like I'm being harsh on Ukraine. They were great, or at the very least, just as good as they needed to be to beat us. They probably should have gotten at least another couple. 

All in all, this felt like a game we'd never win. All the talk in the build up with everyone going lol mawkish and competing to see who could come up with the most fawning take, all summed up at half time, while we're 1-0 down and struggling, being asked to vote for "lion of the match" from the opposition, who are about to put you out the world cup. It summed up the atmosphere around the game, and indeed the attitude and performance. Ukraine, on the other hand, didn't need or want our pity. They'd just rather go out and kick f**k out of us on the pitch. 

Good luck to them. I hope they pump Wales.

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Treated it like a friendly match. Ukraine took the fucking pish out us. We made them look like Pep’s Barca side. There was a wee spell about the 65 minute mark we got in about it and played to our strengths, but out-with that, it was an extremely underwhelming performance. 3-1 flattered us. Ukraine could have had as many as they wanted. They created plenty of clear cut opportunities. Gordon made some really good saves throughout the match.

No idea what our tactics were, if there were any. Was as if they were told not to try and just let Ukraine win. I’m perplexed at the amount of space we gifted them. It wasn’t the Spain side that won the 2010 World Cup we were playing ffs, but we made them look like it.

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In the past after defeats like this we've often heard comments about how these teams are 'technically better', and I've often wondered what people really meant by that. Well in the last 10 minutes tonight I saw the best example I've ever seen of that. We continually mis-controlled the ball, mis-placed basic passes and were unable to put 2 or 3 passes together to create some space for a shot or even a cross. We couldn't build any sustained pressure because after the first phase the ball woukd either be out of play or we'd give it away.

Ukraine on the other hand pinged passes round us all night and looked so comfortable on the ball. I completely agree that Clarke is largely at fault tonight but we are still seriously lacking in ability.

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1 minute ago, DAFC. said:

Treated it like a friendly match. Ukraine took the fucking pish out us. We made them look like Pep’s Barca side. There was a wee spell about the 65 minute mark we got in about it and played to our strengths, but out-with that, it was an extremely underwhelming performance. 3-1 flattered us. Ukraine could have had as many as they wanted. They created plenty of clear cut opportunities.

No idea what our tactics were, if there were any. Was as if they were told not to try and just let Ukraine win.

Aye, I think we shaded the first 3 minutes, then Ukraine had a bit of a wobble around the hour mark where they started playing like they were us and misplacing passes. I wondered if they'd just hit an emotional wall and would tire, but after riding out us trying to doorknob shag them, they reasserted and never really looked troubled. Even when we scored it never really looked like we would scam a 2nd.

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1 minute ago, DAFC. said:

Treated it like a friendly match. Ukraine took the fucking pish out us. We made them look like Pep’s Barca side. There was a wee spell about the 65 minute mark we got in about it and played to our strengths, but out-with that, it was an extremely underwhelming performance. 3-1 flattered us. Ukraine could have had as many as they wanted. They created plenty of clear cut opportunities.

No idea what our tactics were, if there were any. Was as if they were told not to try and just let Ukraine win.

That’s what I was saying too. Everyone appeared to be on holiday and treating it like a friendly.

Ukraine we’re not particularly good but they grew in confidence when they saw we couldn’t be arsed.

Not one player got pass marks from me. Everyone of them should be embarrassed by that performance. I could have assembled a P&B select that would have beaten Scotland tonight.

They have basked in the glory of the last 10-12 months. Now they must accept the stick that they will rightly get after tonight. Each and everyone of them was fucking hopeless. 

 

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17 minutes ago, forameus said:

I'd honestly like to know what the plan was there. If they played to the gameplan, then I can only assume they were told to be incredibly passive and essentially wait until Ukraine made mistakes.

I think in the pre match interviews Callum McGregor mentioned being controlled and patient in the initial phases of the game and not lose a goal so in that sense I could see why it might look passive.

Steve Clarke said in his post match interview that they were expecting to get our ball players (McGregor, Gilmour) more involved in the game to help us gain a control of the match but Ukraine's tactics made that quite difficult before going on to suggest Scotland were playing the long game with Ukraine as they expected them to tire later in the game.

It's not an unreasonable plan I wouldn't say (obviously terrible in hindsight). Clearly it didn't work as planned but I think the hints to the original game plan are out there if you want to look for them. 

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Aye I was calling McGinn a tattie heided impostor fir much of the game. The worst effort I've seen from him since his disappearing act against Russia at Hampden.

I thought they looked infinitely fresher than us. I out that down to the majority of their players having had a couple of months to prepare and train for this game. That's being generous.

Their coach had our number. Our full backs were isolated (save for the three or four Ukrainians surrounding them) and our midfield looked collectively powder puff. 

Probably the least competitive performance I've seen from us since Belgium.

 

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