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Another bore fest,  Jones up front FFS , he’s 6ft 6in when standing , and 5ft when he jumps.  Long season ahead with this squad, easily as bad as anything I remember,  we now officially have 2 players collecting wages who can’t even take a throw in. The only time we’ll collect points this season is when the opponents are awful as well.

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1 minute ago, shawfielder said:

Another bore fest,  Jones up front FFS , he’s 6ft 6in when standing , and 5ft when he jumps.  Long season ahead with this squad, easily as bad as anything I remember,  we now officially have 2 players collecting wages who can’t even take a throw in. The only time we’ll collect points this season is when the opponents are awful as well.

Calm doon. Limited squad yes but they dug in well and got a good point today

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A full-time club that can’t build a stadium properly, where a footprint of a stadium already exists. A shower of over paid jobbers resting on their laurels. A PE teacher for a manager. A chief executive who likes to talk the talk in the press before we’ve done a thing. That was a fucking disgrace today.

We’ve no right to expect to just turn up and win. You can accept bad performances in isolation. Three wins in thirteen games is an embarrassment for a full-time team at this level.

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13 minutes ago, SLClyde said:

When Ellis was appointed I did find it a bit strange given the money you have, thought you would’ve attracted a bigger name with more experience. 
 

Decent point, big game next week. 

It is not surprising. We needed a yes man as we placed our priorities this season on development and community building? rather than the success of the first team. That is why Ray McKinnon left and although not his number 1 fan I would have done the same. You reap what you sow.

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4 minutes ago, shawfielder said:

It’s the squad I’m talking about, it’s going to be a long season, if the best we can hope is to dig in

 

Best we could hope for really pre season. I never understood supporters saying top 4 playoffs

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37 minutes ago, an86 said:

A full-time club that can’t build a stadium properly, where a footprint of a stadium already exists. A shower of over paid jobbers resting on their laurels. A PE teacher for a manager. A chief executive who likes to talk the talk in the press before we’ve done a thing. That was a fucking disgrace today.

We’ve no right to expect to just turn up and win. You can accept bad performances in isolation. Three wins in thirteen games is an embarrassment for a full-time team at this level.

I think you could see this coming in the distance a wee bit. McKinnon signed a lot of his trusted old boys who as I remember someone greatly putting it on here at the time as "circling the drain of full-time football" though that wasn't much of a worry in League 2 as even a team of guys on the way down from the Championship were probably going to have enough about them to win League 2.

I think most of us could see this coming in League 1 though that you would start to see the faults in some of these players becoming more visible. I am not watching these guys every week so at risk of looking slightly daft if some of them are infact doing the business week in and out, but Tommy Robson, Lee Kilday, Grant Gillespie, Bob McHugh, Mikey Doyle, Louis Longridge etc etc. These guys were the dregs of the Championship. Its not a surprise to me a team comprising of that isn't dominating in League 1. 

Ellis reminds me a lot of Alan Archibald when he was with us, and he got way more time than he deserved because of his status within the club. Losing lots of late goals, a constant injury list, a dour as f**k personality that doesn't inspire. Someone who probably isn't likely to question authority or cause hassle. You wonder if he was kept on whilst McKinnon was punted because of that as opposed to bringing in someone completely new.

Dempster as I've said on here before is a myth and a media darling. Stadium situation is a shambles (is construction actually happening?) and there seems to be heehaw communication at QP. Wasn't there a total shambles with entry to a betfred cup game earlier in the season? And if she had any gumption she'd have already sacked Ellis.

5m quid from Hampden and Haughey's dough and thats your end product.

 

 

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Thought we were going to get battered when I read the teamsheet pre-match. Queens Park looked really poor, not what I was expecting after the last encounter at Broadwood, should have had a couple of goals before half time, we were there for the taking.

Don’t think Goodwillie was on form today, potentially carrying a knock? Couldn’t wait to get rid of the ball in the first half, was only really after half time that he looked to run with the ball, and still looked a bit jaded. F**k knows what he was doing with the penalty, carbon copy of the one he missed in the last game.

Didn’t think it was a dirty game at all, not sure how we managed to pick up five bookings, wild.

Think we probably will be the happier of the two sets of fans, I’d have taken a point all day long before a ball was kicked today.

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So much fannying about at the back with square balls back and forward making no impact. 

Poor movement off the ball giving few or no options. 

Nobody prepared to run at defences and have a shot at goal. 

On the odd occasion when Liam and Luke did run at the Clyde defence through the middle there was at least a chance and aat least we ended up with free kicks that could have produced. 

Tactics need to change as all other teams in this league know how to play us now.... 

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Today is the day I’ve came to the full conclusion that Laurie Ellis is quite simply not up for the job and is out his depth. This isn’t a rash opinion after watching today’s monstrosity but it’s slowly been building up over a couple of months where we’ve won 3 games out of 13 which is nothing short embarrassing considering the resources we have at our disposal. 
 

Laurie Ellis initially appeared to me as an intelligent coach, who implemented a style of football that contrasted massively from Mckinnon’s cautious brand of football. Throughout August, it appeared that we made a masterstroke of an appointment. However, it’s not the poor form in isolation which has now formed a negative opinion of Ellis as a manager, there’s quite simply numerous factors. He seems tactically inept as he continues to pursue a brand of football which has now became totally predictable for every team. Lineups are a complete lottery, playing players that aren’t up to scratch, dropping players that should be walking in to the team. He also seems to have little personality based on his post match interviews, always providing the Cliche and safe answers. Im not asking for some mad eccentric personality, im just wanting to see more passion from the guy 

There’s generally no direction with this team and it seems abundantly clear that he’s just throwing 11 players on the pitch in the hope they just do something rather than have a plan of action on how to beat the specific opposition. This is the reality now and looking in hindsight, it was daft to think that appointing someone with zero managerial experience for a project like this would work effectively. Of course teams go on slumps of form, that’s football, however at the rate we’re going we could easily become 6th or 7th by Christmas. We have enough about the squad to be challenging at the top but today just solidified how lost the management team are with managing the high expectations expected of the squad 

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20 minutes ago, qpfc said:

Today is the day I’ve came to the full conclusion that Laurie Ellis is quite simply not up for the job and is out his depth. This isn’t a rash opinion after watching today’s monstrosity but it’s slowly been building up over a couple of months where we’ve won 3 games out of 13 which is nothing short embarrassing considering the resources we have at our disposal. 
 

Laurie Ellis initially appeared to me as an intelligent coach, who implemented a style of football that contrasted massively from Mckinnon’s cautious brand of football. Throughout August, it appeared that we made a masterstroke of an appointment. However, it’s not the poor form in isolation which has now formed a negative opinion of Ellis as a manager, there’s quite simply numerous factors. He seems tactically inept as he continues to pursue a brand of football which has now became totally predictable for every team. Lineups are a complete lottery, playing players that aren’t up to scratch, dropping players that should be walking in to the team. He also seems to have little personality based on his post match interviews, always providing the Cliche and safe answers. Im not asking for some mad eccentric personality, im just wanting to see more passion from the guy 

There’s generally no direction with this team and it seems abundantly clear that he’s just throwing 11 players on the pitch in the hope they just do something rather than have a plan of action on how to beat the specific opposition. This is the reality now and looking in hindsight, it was daft to think that appointing someone with zero managerial experience for a project like this would work effectively. Of course teams go on slumps of form, that’s football, however at the rate we’re going we could easily become 6th or 7th by Christmas. We have enough about the squad to be challenging at the top but today just solidified how lost the management team are with managing the high expectations expected of the squad 

Every word is spot on to be honest. We have the biggest budget in the league and are a point ahead of Falkirk (who everyone howls in laughter at). Can’t have it both ways - a hugely distressing first few months of the season.

Ellis isn’t up to it. Put him out of his misery and get someone competent in before the season goes completely Pete Tong. 

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Today was the first time that after 15 minutes I had no expectation of winning the game . We are so predictable that teams have figured us out and unfortunately I do not think the management duo know how to change it if their first plan does not work .
We really miss Grant at the back and Quitongo who hopefully will make a huge difference when he comes back . Unbelievable that Fox is not starting which I cannot understand.
Time for a rethink. The job might need an experienced manager to take us forward.

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I suspect I'm the minority but don't think Ray Ellis goes from inspired appointment to complete dud in the space of a couple of months
I'm not singing his praises but he's made changes in recent weeks that many have been calling out for dropping Muir and Thompson and giving Longstaff a start today along with Connell and Brown in midfield
Apart from Fox for Kilday not sure what other changes would have made us stronger today?
Without Simon Murray or Quitongo up front we've no pace or threat in behind and so makes it much easier for teams to set up and frustrate us
Only positive today was clean sheet (grasping at straws) and comedy gold penalty from Goodwillie
Incidentally why were water sprinklers on at HT when pitch was already slippy?!

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On 12/11/2021 at 20:28, QP's in my DNA said:

As we all know football is all about opinions, and even among the Queen's faithful they will be many and varied, in fact even amongst those I go to games with this is true.

Concerning our recent performances and results BYOS post above, just about covers all of our various failings and shortcomings.

I've been coming to a similar conclusion about the disappointments in the recent games, and for me "Logic and blindingly obvious" points the finger at the culprit for our poor form.

I feel that there is a lethargy surrounding our team spirit these days, and the blame for that lies with the Coach, not the players.

His job is to pick a winning team from the current well paid, full time squad and sadly he is currently failing.

I won't go as far as to say he's "lost the dressing room" with his team selection and tactics, but he certainly is unable to inspire them to play above their current level.

In terms of tactics, every Queen's fan knew that in the last game against Clyde, where the danger would come from, yet tactically we stood off him and gave him the freedom of the park and paid for it.

In everything our coach does, from his bland pre and post-match interviews to his substitutions invariably in the last 10 minutes (when a number of under performing players should be subbed at half time). To his apparent denial of who is best suited for key positions. These all suggest to me that our coach is somewhat overwhelmed with the task of being daily responsible for such a large squad of players and the associated specialist staff members he has accrued in the process, and is therefor struck by indecision during a game, when it isn't going as he thought.

I don't know how much logic is involved in these opinions, but to me there are some blindingly obvious changes from the team that started against East Fife, if they are not made and we get a similar result as in our last game against Clyde, I suspect it might be time for someone in a higher position to take our coach aside and give him the kind of "inspirational" talking to that he's unable to motivate his players with.

Having said all that, we're still a better outfit than we were 2 seasons ago,. Which really is to be expected, when our team's wage bill is £1 million/ season (courtesy of Davie Galt's championship winning t-shirt).

Talking of Davie Galt, he's exactly the type of player we are missing,,,,,,,,,,,,, and who let him go ?????

As for tomorrow's game, the result will be determined by "logic and the blindingly obvious" if it's applied.

 

 

 

                          I rest my case.  

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