Donathan Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) Beat the minnows, take 4 points against our main rivals and let the top team beat everybody has been the blueprint for getting second place for the past couple of decades. Unfortunately the two things that have put paid to that on the past have been embarrassing dropped points against the mighty Georgia/Lithuania/Kazakhstan/Belarus/Moldova and the top seeds slipping up against our rivals (Germany dropped points to Poland and ROI, for example) Glad it played out this time. It’s a prime example of why I always prefer to draw the best ranked team in pot 1 rather than someone who’s more likely to lose points to our direct rivals. Strangely we DIDN’T drop a top team on paper this time but Denmark have clearly came on leaps and bounds since they only just sneaked into pot 1 (Euros SF’s despite the disruption of the Eriksen tragedy) Edited November 13, 2021 by Donathan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immcinto Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Lurkst said: The odds I saw gave us a 4% chance of being seeded after losing to Denmark. Where did you see these odds? I can find any seeding odds online 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Paco said: I agree with that to an extent, but for ply-offs the old seeding format was world ranking which would definitely have had us unseeded. This gives us a bit of a shot - so no complaints from me. Our World Cup hopes really are all in the draw. It can be as harsh as Sweden and Croatia away back-to-back, or as kind as North Macedonia and Serbia at Hampden. There’s almost no chance in most scenarios, we’d maybe even be favourites in a couple. Still a tall order but for now it really is important for us to try and get that seeding on Monday night. Why should it be a tall order? every other team in the play offs will have finished second in a seeded group, the same as us. yes some teams will have better odds of getting through but no one is unbeatable , no one is all that different to ourselves it was the same from the media last year - " oh were just widdle nations league entrants how can we beat big scary Serbia away from home blah blah", serbia ended up there as nations league C winners the same as us funnily enough Enough of this fuckin stinking losers mentality of "oh it will be so hard" play the fuckin team not the jersey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) The opposition will be higher quality this time, because to qualify for the Euros, we had to beat two of the best teams not to finish in the top two whereas here we have to beat two of the best teams not to win their group. It's far from impossible to qualify but nothing wrong with stating that it's "a tall order". Qualification would be a much greater achievement than it was for Euro "2020". Incidentally if this was a Euros campaign, we would already have qualified, which stands us in good stead for 2024. Edited November 13, 2021 by Small Bovine Maisonette 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 41 minutes ago, Small Bovine Maisonette said: The opposition will be higher quality this time, because to qualify for the Euros, we had to beat two of the best teams not to finish in the top two whereas here we have to beat two of the best teams not to win their group. It's far from impossible to qualify but nothing wrong with stating that it's "a tall order". Qualification would be a much greater achievement than it was for Euro "2020". Incidentally if this was a Euros campaign, we would already have qualified, which stands us in good stead for 2024. Correct, but we are also higher quality since we managed to finish second in our group, the same as any other team, we won 6 games drawn 2 and only lost against the top seed. were nae worse than anyone else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, immcinto said: Where did you see these odds? I can find any seeding odds online Read it here... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Frank Grimes Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Norway currently drawing at home to Latvia If it stays that way, does that help us at all? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Frank Grimes said: Norway currently drawing at home to Latvia If it stays that way, does that help us at all? Latvia second bottom So, don't know rules actually 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, Frank Grimes said: Norway currently drawing at home to Latvia If it stays that way, does that help us at all? Counting only matches against teams ranked first to fifth in the group Latvia 5th So does count 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 However it likely hands second place to Turkey who would be above us if we don’t meet Denmark so moot point really 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Donathan said: However it likely hands second place to Turkey who would be above us if we don’t meet Denmark so moot point really Oh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Turkey will be on 18 points after beating Gibraltar tonight. They are away to Montenegro on Tuesday so a win will give them 21 points less 6 = 15 points. Not sure how their goal difference looks once you take away results v Gibraltar but if they were to drop points on Tuesday (and Norway dont beat the Netherlands) then of course it would make our passage a little easier if we dont get anything v Denmark. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Norway drop points at home to Latvia - Turkey now top and away to Montenegro on Tuesday. Maximum points they can get is 15 so a draw or defeat would be good for Scotland (obviously we play for at least 1 point the night before on Monday) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Norway hilariously fucking it at home to Latvia means that a draw on Monday is enough to be seeded unless Turkey win in Podgorica by four goals or more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, Donathan said: However it likely hands second place to Turkey who would be above us if we don’t meet Denmark so moot point really Turkey would still need to beat Montenegro away to overtake us, which is hardly a guarantee given that they didn't beat them at home. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 However it likely hands second place to Turkey who would be above us if we don’t meet Denmark so moot point really No gimme for them to win in Montenegro. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Still can't see the Wales/Czech runner up finishing below us unless we take something on Monday 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 There have been some fairly surprising results already this week, no reason there couldn't be another couple. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 including Scotland winning at home to Denmark. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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