Paul Kersey Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 hour ago, SlipperyP said: The have many memorial sites and statues all over their country. Not sure if it's in their daily conversation, like some folk from the UK. There is a good Stalingrad movie (in Russian) on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnJJQxZ0hu8 I visited the WW2 museum in Kiev around 10 years ago. They call it the Great Patriotic War and in their version of events the war started in 1941 and ended in 1945. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, the winter war with Finland, the annexation of the Baltic states and the Katyn massacre were all conveniently ignored. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 As for the Gestapo, most of it’s members went back to their old jobs after the war, the police force.Seamless transition to the MET imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Paul Kersey said: I visited the WW2 museum in Kiev around 10 years ago. They call it the Great Patriotic War and in their version of events the war started in 1941 and ended in 1945. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, the winter war with Finland, the annexation of the Baltic states and the Katyn massacre were all conveniently ignored. I'm sure I saw something Polish years ago that had WWII starting in 1936, and the Americans consider it didn't kick off 'til they got there. I saw a trailer for the movie Pearl Harbor that flashed up the start of WWII as 1941. China has it down as when they were invaded by Japan, which is quite a bit earlier than most folk would be aware. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kersey Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 minute ago, BFTD said: I'm sure I saw something Polish years ago that had WWII starting in 1936, and the Americans consider it didn't kick off 'til they got there. I saw a trailer for the movie Pearl Harbor that flashed up the start of WWII as 1941. China has it down as when they were invaded by Japan, which is quite a bit earlier than most folk would be aware. Yeah. It's very euro-centric to consider 1939 as the starting point. I've always thought that the Japanese invasion of China in 1937 was the start of WW2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, BFTD said: I'm sure I saw something Polish years ago that had WWII starting in 1936, and the Americans consider it didn't kick off 'til they got there. I saw a trailer for the movie Pearl Harbor that flashed up the start of WWII as 1941. China has it down as when they were invaded by Japan, which is quite a bit earlier than most folk would be aware. They are correct from their own perspective, as you say they were not involved directly until Pearl Harbour. When that happen, that is when the Axis powers declared war on them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 On 29/10/2021 at 21:26, Fullerene said: Thailand was on the same side as Japan but that is seldom mentioned. Forgot to add this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Thai_Movement Quote In the aftermath of the Japanese invasion of Thailand on 7–8 December 1941, the regime of Plaek Phibunsongkhram (Phibun) declared war on the United Kingdom and the United States on 25 January 1942.[1] Seni Pramoj, the Thai ambassador in Washington, refused to deliver the declaration to the United States government. This meant US never declared war on Thailand, however UK did. The peace treaty was signed in 1946. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 9 hours ago, Paul Kersey said: I visited the WW2 museum in Kiev around 10 years ago. They call it the Great Patriotic War and in their version of events the war started in 1941 and ended in 1945. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, the winter war with Finland, the annexation of the Baltic states and the Katyn massacre were all conveniently ignored. Watching The World at War, the historian Stephen E Ambrose (who wrote Band of Brothers) said that in the 20th century, Europe had a civil war with a 20 year break in the middle. The second war was "caused" in part by the outcome of the first, he sees it as one long conflict. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kersey Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 57 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Watching The World at War, the historian Stephen E Ambrose (who wrote Band of Brothers) said that in the 20th century, Europe had a civil war with a 20 year break in the middle. The second war was "caused" in part by the outcome of the first, he sees it as one long conflict. True, although Japan and Italy were on "our" side in the first war and "their" side in the second. Talk about backing the wrong horse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, Paul Kersey said: True, although Japan and Italy were on "our" side in the first war and "their" side in the second. Talk about backing the wrong horse. Italy was on both sides in the re-run... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Steiner Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) On 29/10/2021 at 13:50, Sortmeout said: Not too sure if this was more for the travel forum but for anyone who has spent a lot of time in Germany I was wondering how often (or how freely) the subject of Nazis is brought up. Over here you’ll usually find at least one channel at some stage of the day with a documentary about them, or regarding WW2. Is it the same in Germany? Are they as intrigued with Hitler and the Nazi party as we seem to be in this country? Or is it just a totally taboo subject for your average person and something the Germans want to just forget about? We're constantly reminded of the evil deeds of the Nazis in film and media, however the far-left have killed far more innocents via bloodthirsty communism and the Holodomor was similar in magnitude to the Holocaust. Edited January 3, 2022 by Scott Steiner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Ferguson's Hat Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Thr far left have never killed anyone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 25 minutes ago, Scott Steiner said: We're constantly reminded of the evil deeds of the Nazis in film and media, however the far-left have killed far more innocents via bloodthirsty communism and the Holodomor was similar in magnitude to the Holocaust. I'm quite happy to call it a draw. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, Sergeant Wilson said: I'm quite happy to call it a draw. If only Davie Syme had refereed it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Shandon Par said: If only Davie Syme had refereed it. I can forgive genocide, but not that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 On 04/11/2021 at 06:37, BFTD said: We got taught absolutely hee-haw about America at school, but I've noticed that my son's had a lot of American history (slave trade, civil rights movement, etc). When I was doing my Standard Grades then Highers in the early-mid 2000s, the history department got a new Principal Teacher who had a real interest in American history. I was one of the first years where my school picked the American stuff from the options given by the SQA. Absolutely nothing on the War of Independence, though. Or at least nothing I remember - there might have been some brief context for the other stuff. Most of what I know about the revolution has come from playing Assassin’s Creed 3 and using Wikipedia to look more into the historicity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Stormzy obviously going for the Trying Too Hard of the Year 2022 trophy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Master said: When I was doing my Standard Grades then Highers in the early-mid 2000s, the history department got a new Principal Teacher who had a real interest in American history. I was one of the first years where my school picked the American stuff from the options given by the SQA. Absolutely nothing on the War of Independence, though. Or at least nothing I remember - there might have been some brief context for the other stuff. Most of what I know about the revolution has come from playing Assassin’s Creed 3 and using Wikipedia to look more into the historicity. When I was doing mine it hadn't happened. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 The zeppelin fields south of Nürnburg, best known as the setting for the Nuremberg rallies are worth a visit The postwar city council inherited massive monumental lumps of nazi architecture and was faced with a quandary. That makes Bristols Coulston statue issue seem like a piece of pissObviously they couldn’t maintain these historic buildings but they couldn’t bulldoze them either they destroyed the swaztikas and eagles but left most of the structures intact.The upshot is it now feel as if it’s the ruins of an ancient empire. As if the thousand year reich happened and that was a 1000 years ago. You feel as if something massive happened there but it feels remote from the present.Compared to bulldozing the whole site and burying the evidence it’s probably the best way to go.The exception is the old Hitler youth stadium which is now home to 1fc Nürnburg although it’s been redeveloped a lot in the last 70 years so I doubt much of the original is still intact 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Always funny that the Victims of Communism people include the Wehrmacht in their numbers. I think someone said they had started adding Covid deaths in as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Barry Ferguson's Hat said: Thr far left have never killed anyone. Tell that to the Russians & the Uighur Muslims, among many others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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