19QOS19 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Woman on the news just said : "One bit of solace for the family is that she died doing what she loved". What is it with these c***s. I had heard she loved being shot tbf. Nothing she liked better than a good shooting. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 "The head gun handler for the movie "Rust," which has made headlines after cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was fatally shot by Alec Baldwin on set, revealed last month that she was worried about her experience level for her first job. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 24, told a podcast that she almost didn't take the job, her first as head armorer, because she wasn't sure if she was "ready" for it." Armorer worried she wasn't ready for job. I have a feeling that wee gem may be brought up should lawsuits ensue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Shotgun said: "The head gun handler for the movie "Rust," which has made headlines after cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was fatally shot by Alec Baldwin on set, revealed last month that she was worried about her experience level for her first job. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 24, told a podcast that she almost didn't take the job, her first as head armorer, because she wasn't sure if she was "ready" for it." Armorer worried she wasn't ready for job. I have a feeling that wee gem may be brought up should lawsuits ensue. If it was true that a live round and not a blank was fired, that is something I don't understand unless it was intentional or incredibly reckless. If the gun hadn't been checked properly and there was something in the barrel that could have been fired off with a blank, that's negligence. If it was a live round that has to be manslaughter or murder. Haven't worked on film much, but in theatre everything that could be dangerous is disabled in case of a screwup, like if there's a hanging scene the rope is hiddenly split with a single thread joining the sections so if there's a screw up the actor won't actually get throttled. I've handed out guns to actors before but only ones that were disabled so they couldn't be fired, even with blanks. I've read quotes saying normal practice is that live rounds are normally totally verboten on set, which you'd expect, even in America. If the director ordered them to use live rounds to up the realism on the cheap, I hope he goes to prison for a very long time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 49 minutes ago, welshbairn said: If it was true that a live round and not a blank was fired, that is something I don't understand unless it was intentional or incredibly reckless. If the gun hadn't been checked properly and there was something in the barrel that could have been fired off with a blank, that's negligence. If it was a live round that has to be manslaughter or murder. Haven't worked on film much, but in theatre everything that could be dangerous is disabled in case of a screwup, like if there's a hanging scene the rope is hiddenly split with a single thread joining the sections so if there's a screw up the actor won't actually get throttled. I've handed out guns to actors before but only ones that were disabled so they couldn't be fired, even with blanks. I've read quotes saying normal practice is that live rounds are normally totally verboten on set, which you'd expect, even in America. If the director ordered them to use live rounds to up the realism on the cheap, I hope he goes to prison for a very long time. Last bit of news about this seems to be that the Assistant Director took the gun from the props department and gave it to Baldwin for use in rehearsal, telling him it wasn't loaded. Sounds like there wasn't much more he could've been expected to do without being a bit of a pain in the arse (admittedly that wouldn't be out of character). There was a quote going around yesterday that Baldwin was furious when he was told that it had been a live round in the gun, and was overheard saying that nobody had ever handed him a gun loaded with live ammo on a film set. Interview here with a veteran movie set armourer who insists there's no reason for there to be live ammunition on set: https://edition.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/2021/10/24/alec-baldwin-live-rounds-john-patteson-retired-armorer-ndwknd-sot-vpx.cnn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 The whole shoot seems to have ended up pretty shambolic, with crew quitting due to disputes about pay and accommodation. https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-24/alec-baldwin-prop-gun-shooting-halyna-hutchins-search-warrant 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I keep thinking the thread title says 'Alec Baldwin finally shoots someone on set'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Got to think after the dust is settled that it being America, that woman’s family will be quids in. The production company will be sued, the armourer will be sued. Alec will certainly be sued. Everyone will get sued. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Wrong thread m80. Bill Murray didn't have anything to do with Alec Baldwin finally shooting someone on set. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resk Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 21 hours ago, Shotgun said: "The head gun handler for the movie "Rust," which has made headlines after cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was fatally shot by Alec Baldwin on set, revealed last month that she was worried about her experience level for her first job. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 24, told a podcast that she almost didn't take the job, her first as head armorer, because she wasn't sure if she was "ready" for it." Armorer worried she wasn't ready for job. I have a feeling that wee gem may be brought up should lawsuits ensue. "Gutierrez-Reed, the daughter of the veteran Hollywood armorer Thell Reed, said on the "Voices of the West" podcast that "Rust" was only her second film as a head armorer." Ooft. The assistant director seems to be a bit of an arsehole as well. All three of them - the armourer, the assistant director and Baldwin - could probably have avoided someone getting killed by just doing a simple check of the gun. The whole thing just seems like a massive f**k up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senorsoupe Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) I read elsewhere that some of the crew members had taken the guns out for some "plinking" to kill time. Plinking is shooting beer cans for lolz. https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/rust-shooting-gun-that-killed-halyna-hutchins-was-used-that-morning-for-live-ammo-target-practice/ar-AAPWxNl?li=BBnb7Kz Edited October 25, 2021 by senorsoupe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arabdownunder Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Don Jr seeing a marketing opportunity "A T-shirt with the slogan “Guns Don’t Kill People, Alec Baldwin Kills People” is selling for $US27.99 on a merchandise site linked to the former president’s namesake son." https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-jnr-sells-t-shirts-mocking-alec-baldwin-rust-set-tragedy-20211026-p59335.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 13 hours ago, resk said: "Gutierrez-Reed, the daughter of the veteran Hollywood armorer Thell Reed, said on the "Voices of the West" podcast that "Rust" was only her second film as a head armorer." Ooft. The assistant director seems to be a bit of an arsehole as well. All three of them - the armourer, the assistant director and Baldwin - could probably have avoided someone getting killed by just doing a simple check of the gun. The whole thing just seems like a massive f**k up. Certainly a massive f**k up but I'm not sure why Baldwin would be expected to check the gun seeing as there are others being paid to do exactly that, and nothing more. Especially given he was told the gun was "safe". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, hk blues said: Certainly a massive f**k up but I'm not sure why Baldwin would be expected to check the gun seeing as there are others being paid to do exactly that, and nothing more. Especially given he was told the gun was "safe". I'd have thought actors would actually be told not to do any fucking about with the weaponry, just in case they did something that caused a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resk Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, hk blues said: Certainly a massive f**k up but I'm not sure why Baldwin would be expected to check the gun seeing as there are others being paid to do exactly that, and nothing more. Especially given he was told the gun was "safe". Yes, I agree. I said that all three of them could have avoided the shooting if they'd done a simple check, not that all three of them were expected to as part of their jobs on the set. I'm guessing that some actors will be more "gun-aware" than others and will carry out checks as a matter of normal gun handling - Baldwin clearly isn't one of those actors, which is unfortunate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, resk said: Yes, I agree. I said that all three of them could have avoided the shooting if they'd done a simple check, not that all three of them were expected to as part of their jobs on the set. I'm guessing that some actors will be more "gun-aware" than others and will carry out checks as a matter of normal gun handling - Baldwin clearly isn't one of those actors, which is unfortunate. Actors in the most part are idiots dealing with practical matters, I certainly wouldn't trust Baldwin not to mess up a safety check on a gun that might be primed to fire a blank. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, resk said: Yes, I agree. I said that all three of them could have avoided the shooting if they'd done a simple check, not that all three of them were expected to as part of their jobs on the set. I'm guessing that some actors will be more "gun-aware" than others and will carry out checks as a matter of normal gun handling - Baldwin clearly isn't one of those actors, which is unfortunate. Apparently Baldwin was a careful actor when it comes to handling guns - on the same movie set he had sent a kid away from the vicinity when a gun was being fired a few days back. Obviously we all have read a lot of stuff around this, but it seems that it's more common for the intended "target" to go through the required checks than the "shooter" for obvious reasons. I'm not sure what the exact protocol is, there doesn't seem to be one, but surely a check and double-check system as a minimum should be laid down? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, resk said: Yes, I agree. I said that all three of them could have avoided the shooting if they'd done a simple check, not that all three of them were expected to as part of their jobs on the set. I'm guessing that some actors will be more "gun-aware" than others and will carry out checks as a matter of normal gun handling - Baldwin clearly isn't one of those actors, which is unfortunate. I doubt actors will be relied on to do any checks. What possible qualification could they have? If Jeniffer Aniston used a gun in a film would you be expecting her to give it a quick check? I had thought he was messing about, but have since read he was shooting towards a camera for a scene. He sounds pretty blameless to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Wilkos Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 I keep thinking the thread title says 'Alec Baldwin batally shoots someone on set". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Steve_Wilkos said: I keep thinking the thread title says 'Alec Baldwin batally shoots someone on set". Is that even a word? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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