The Mantis Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I've heard so much about this 'hoodoo' that I decided to see whether it holds any water. Conclusion: apart from maybe last season when both clubs had a good title challenge, it doesn't. When we first got up to Div 1 in 1999, we could actually claim Rovers as a bogey team, as it took 8 attempts to beat them. I know that Rovers fans at the time were mystified as to why other teams' fans rated ICT, as we were going well but they usually ripped us apart (Didier Agathe etc). But from then on in, the clubs have barely been in the same division, and we've always been higher, so have won any cup ties. Notable league seasons: 2001-2 - Rovers relegated and us chasing promotion - no surprises then. 2003-4 - Rovers a promoted club while we went on to be champions - no surprises. 2009-10 - We came down from the Prem and bounced straight back - no surprises. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Yeah, no hoodoo at all. Just 19 games in a row without victory. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Mantis said: I've heard so much about this 'hoodoo' that I decided to see whether it holds any water. Conclusion: apart from maybe last season when both clubs had a good title challenge, it doesn't. When we first got up to Div 1 in 1999, we could actually claim Rovers as a bogey team, as it took 8 attempts to beat them. I know that Rovers fans at the time were mystified as to why other teams' fans rated ICT, as we were going well but they usually ripped us apart (Didier Agathe etc). But from then on in, the clubs have barely been in the same division, and we've always been higher, so have won any cup ties. Notable league seasons: 2001-2 - Rovers relegated and us chasing promotion - no surprises then. 2003-4 - Rovers a promoted club while we went on to be champions - no surprises. 2009-10 - We came down from the Prem and bounced straight back - no surprises. I think this undersells it. Because if I recall correctly we have maybe two draws since that last win in 2000.... despite the relative merits of both teams in that time, the fact that over the league seasons we have spent together, we haven't managed even one victory is incredible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 We've beaten every top flight side other than Celtic and Motherwell (the latter of whom we've only played once) in the period since we last defeated Caley. It's incredible to even suggest that not beating them in 19 games isn't a hoodoo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB1994 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 44 minutes ago, Broken Algorithms said: We've beaten every top flight side other than Celtic and Motherwell (the latter of whom we've only played once) in the period since we last defeated Caley. It's incredible to even suggest that not beating them in 19 games isn't a hoodoo. You should count yourself lucky we agreed to let you be joint holders of the Challenge Cup in this basis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 32 minutes ago, PB1994 said: You should count yourself lucky we agreed to let you be joint holders of the Challenge Cup in this basis. The winner of our QF should be allowed to keep it forever. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 12 hours ago, Michael W said: Yeah, no hoodoo at all. Just 19 games in a row without victory. How many of those 19 games were defeats? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 10 hours ago, PB1994 said: You should count yourself lucky we agreed to let you be joint holders of the Challenge Cup in this basis. We’d have taken you to extra time or penalties and won that one. That’s our thing in finals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: How many of those 19 games were defeats? Sixteen! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Michael W said: Sixteen! That Mantis boy is right. Those 3 draws show there is no hoodoo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Michael W said: Yeah, no hoodoo at all. Just 19 games in a row without victory. OK... so it seems that this is not entirely accurate and I've posted a false statistic. The source I used does not include the 3-3 draw in the league Cup or indeed a 4-1 defeat from 2019. I can't be bothered checking if any other cup games have been missed as well. So it's at least 21 games, with 17 of them being defeats. Edited October 21, 2021 by Michael W 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Michael W said: OK... so it seems that this is not entirely accurate and I've posted a false statistic. The source I used does not include the 3-3 draw in the league Cup or indeed a 4-1 defeat from 2019. I can't be bothered checking if any other cup games have been missed as well. So it's at least 21 games, with 17 of them being defeats. Even if you just take our games against ICT at Starks, the last 10 games reads W0 D3 L7. You have to go back to the summer of 2000 when we last beat, neighhhhh horsed ICT 4-1 at Starks. Edited October 21, 2021 by Scary Bear 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: Even if you just take our games against ICT at Starks, the last 10 games reads W0 D3 L7. You have to go back to the summer of 2000 when we last beat, neighhhhh horsed ICT 4-1 at Starks. They never got over such an overweight player knocking in the 4th and have taken it out on us ever since. W0, D3, L7 represents a reasonable run of form against ICT given the bulk of our draws are in there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: Even if you just take our games against ICT at Starks, the last 10 games reads W0 D3 L7. You have to go back to the summer of 2000 when we last beat, neighhhhh horsed ICT 4-1 at Starks. We might not have beaten them in 21 games but I'd rather that than concede a goal to Gerry Creaney. All things considered I think that gives us the edge overall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Scary Bear said: Even if you just take our games against ICT at Starks, the last 10 games reads W0 D3 L7. You have to go back to the summer of 2000 when we last beat, neighhhhh horsed ICT 4-1 at Starks. Yep, sat through that one. You managed 2 wins and a draw that season. The following season though A 5-0 and a 5-2 at home, plus a 5-1 (insert preferred equine buggery reference here) at the San Starko. Here's Barry Robson rounding off the scoring And here's the glorious sunset from the away end 7 hours ago, Michael W said: They never got over such an overweight player knocking in the 4th and have taken it out on us ever since. But Bobby Mann scored in the 5-1 game, that should have fired you up nicely (unless you somehow had Mark Yardley masquerading as a trialist). Edited October 21, 2021 by The Mantis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRFC2711 Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 Yardley, you had to mention him didn’t you………fkn ell.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, RRFC2711 said: Yardley, you had to mention him didn’t you………fkn ell.. Back in the 2003 Season Elgin signed Andy Goram, Caley were away at the weekend so I went through to see Goram in his first match for Elgin who were at home to Albion Rovers, five minutes into the match this big fat lump came belting forward in an Albion strip, feck me I thought that an Albion fan with a fuckin drink in had ran onto the pitch, this guy was fuckin huge and I expected the stewards to run on take the man mountain off, it turned out the fat b*****d turned out to be Mark Yardley! and Goram let in five! Edited October 22, 2021 by SandyCromarty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly, Mr Shankly Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Fucking buzzing for this. Hopefully we break this non-existent hoodoo and roll on to Tuesday night. Come on you fuckin’ Rovers! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRFC2711 Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 Back in the 2003 Season Elgin signed Andy Goram, Caley were away at the weekend so I went through to see Goram in his first match for Elgin who were at home to Albion Rovers, five minutes into the match this big fat lump came belting forward in an Albion strip, feck me I thought that an Albion fan with a fuckin drink in had ran onto the pitch, this guy was fuckin huge and I expected the stewards to run on take the man mountain off, it turned out the fat b*****d turned out to be Mark Yardley! and Goram let in five! And he knocked us out one of the cups that season we have shared pain as well as trophy’s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Delighted that we are behind the goal. I mind being stuck in the corner for a game, pretty sure it was a Challenge Cup tie, which we won 4 - 0 thanks to a cock up from Ramiro Gonzales. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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