Otis Blue Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I'm a bit late to the party. Just seen the highlights. Probably been said many times earlier in the thread but ... that back heel from McGinn was obscene ..... and the post-penalty interception from Tierney was outrageous. Two moments of excellence contributing to a fine win. Gordon's first half save and penalty save not far behind. Hampden should be bouncing on Monday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Bairnardo said: Andy Robertson is world class. KT probably is too. I dont think anyone else fits in the bracket. Billy Gilmour clearly has that level of potential. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, sergie's no1 fan said: Using the barometer if world class means getting a game for any team in the world at international or club level you are only looking at Andy Robertson being world class. KT is very close imo I think he is outstanding, he shows it time and time again. Gilmour could be but needs way more games at club level. McGinn, needs to kick on again. Will see how he does under Gerrard, not sure he gets into most big national teams or the elite clubs. Not to shit on the parade of this group of players as they have exceeded expectations in finishing 2nd in the group. Craig Gordon ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I might love Kieran Tierney, but unless you have a very loose definition of the term “world class” - he isn’t it (yet). Robertson obviously is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Only Scotland fans could come in here the day after qualifying for the playoffs and greet because we're gloating about beating our closest competitors also talking down our players after a very decent performance, just enjoy it you shower of miserable b*****ds. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 44 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: The strong team beat everyone this time, not just us, so that was helpful. We also failed to slip up against the minnows as so often happens. These facts allowed our 4 points against our rivals to be decisive. I agree that getting more points than other teams helped us to finish above them. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: The strong team beat everyone this time, not just us, so that was helpful. We also failed to slip up against the minnows as so often happens. These facts allowed our 4 points against our rivals to be decisive. If Austria and Israel had taken points off Denmark we'd still be ahead of them and quite possibly have it in our own hands to win the group on Monday. I don't think other teams doing us a favour is really the story here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Don't have a clue what happened to the Austrians, but them having a mare helped us. Nothing "happened" to the Austrians, they just aren't a very good team, something I've been saying basically ever since the draw was made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 If Austria and Israel had taken points off Denmark we'd still be ahead of them and quite possibly have it in our own hands to win the group on Monday. I don't think other teams doing us a favour is really the story here.It would take a pretty unlikely set of results for any team not to finish in the top two with 20 points. Even with Austria and Israel both taking 6 points from Moldova and the Faroes we've still ended up miles clear of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 minute ago, DC92 said: If Austria and Israel had taken points off Denmark we'd still be ahead of them and quite possibly have it in our own hands to win the group on Monday. I don't think other teams doing us a favour is really the story here. I didn't say it was. Allowing Austria and Israel to take only one point each from us was the key. The point being discussed related to the margin ultimately being quite large. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, oaksoft said: I certainly will not. And no, we haven't really. And yes, we most certainly do. Enjoy your day. I plan to. It'll be a day grounded in reality, but it should be enjoyable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, oaksoft said: This is a very Scottish thing - confusing negativity and emotional repression with being grounded in reality. Lighten up FFS. If you can't lose your shit when it comes to football then when are you going to? Robertson, Tierney, Gilmour and Patterson are as good in their positions as virtually any other player out there in any country. You can add Craig Gordon to that list of world class players. So that's 5 right off the bat and I'd argue that John McGinn and Scott McTominay are pretty close to them. We haven't had a squad this good since the days when Wham and the Human League were scoring major hits but I'm happy to hear alternatives from more recent years. If it's typically Scottish to retain perspective and critical faculties, then I'm a proud Scotsman. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Robertson, Tierney, Gilmour and Patterson are as good in their positions as virtually any other player out there in any country. You can add Craig Gordon to that list of world class players. This has to be a wind up. Assuming it isn't, your definition of what constitutes "world class" is a weak one IMO. Taking the excellent Gilmour FYI, he can't get a game for Norwich, but even putting that down to the recently sacked manager getting it wrong, he's been loaned out by Chelsea. If he were genuinely world class he would be starting pretty much every week for them. I believe there are two valid definitions of the term. One, the player would get in a hypothetical squad of players to take on Mars, say. Two, the player is a top performer at world Cup level or similar. So, for example, Brian Laudrup and Henrik Larsson were both world class using this definition - but I can't think if any other players who were when they played regularly in Scotland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Jeezo. Is there anything you guys won't suck the life right out of? On sunny days I bet you wander around with your face tripping you saying "Aye but it'll be pishin doon the morra". What a bunch of miserable b*****ds. What an outlook. It is actually due to rain tomorrow now you mention it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 33 minutes ago, craigkillie said: It would take a pretty unlikely set of results for any team not to finish in the top two with 20 points. Even with Austria and Israel both taking 6 points from Moldova and the Faroes we've still ended up miles clear of them. Obviously I'd have bitten your hand off for 2nd place a few months ago, but if you'd told me at the start of the group that we'd be sitting on 20 points at this stage I'd be a bit disappointed that outright qualification wasn't possible. 32 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: I didn't say it was. Allowing Austria and Israel to take only one point each from us was the key. The point being discussed related to the margin ultimately being quite large. Fair enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, oaksoft said: That's an interesting way to spin emotional repression but whetever works for you MT. The reason you won't allow yourself to get "cvarried away" is that you're scared of getting hurt if we fail to qualify from the playoffs. And so you stifle how you feel and justify this by covering it with an "I'm being rational" wrapper. That's how emotional repression works in a nutshell. It's only football. We'll all be dead soon enough. Live man. Live. In what possible way does pretending that we've several World Class players constitute living life to the full? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Jeezo. Is there anything you guys won't suck the life right out of? On sunny days I bet you wander around with your face tripping you saying "Aye but it'll be pishin doon the morra". What a bunch of miserable b*****ds. What an outlook. I'm an accountant, mate, it's a requirement of the job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Empty It said: Only Scotland fans could come in here the day after qualifying for the playoffs and greet because we're gloating about beating our closest competitors also talking down our players after a very decent performance, just enjoy it you shower of miserable b*****ds. I doubt it. Other countries must also house people who aren't absolutely demented. I've never been one for this wha's like us stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: Robertson, Tierney, Gilmour and Patterson are as good in their positions as virtually any other player out there in any country. In that case, James Tavernier must clearly be an Intergalactic Class player. You'd think he'd get a sniff at an occasional England squad then, wouldn't you? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Nothing "happened" to the Austrians, they just aren't a very good team, something I've been saying basically ever since the draw was made.And when you weren't saying that you were constantly bangin' on about Jacob Brown. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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