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13 minutes ago, Jeff Venom said:

 
Plants to force this authoritarian stuff through imo opinion.

Have to agree with this. There is no way they could be that tone deaf to the impact their approach to emergency services vehicles is having on public opinion of them otherwise.

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52 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said:

IB's spokesperson Liam Norton having an absolute 'mare on Jeremy Vine (I know, I know) this morning.

Essentially trying to justify the risk of killing people unable to travel on ambulances if it might save 10 million who are projected to die in ~10 years time, then suddenly avoiding the conversation as soon as they asked if he'd feel the same if it was his own mum in the ambulance.  A seething mess from start to finish, incapable of holding any form of discussion.

If the rest of them are anything like him, then there's clearly nothing that anyone else can say to make them change their methods.

Twas pretty entertaining.

Especially the latter part where Anna Soubry was getting tore into him, and he was on screen calling her 'historically illiterate', you could hear her muttering on her mike, I'm not 100% sure, but her mutter sounded VERY like "for f**k sake".

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1 hour ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Pretty much this. I see their 'leader' has said that they would gladly stop an ambulance with a dying patient in it. 

That's the thing about protest. It only works when you can get the majority onboard. As you pointed out, most people would agree with the aim behind this protest, but if they start to look like extremists then support will drop away very, very quickly. 

They're also giving the government an open door to bring in sweeping legislation which will not only quickly put an end to 'Insulate Britain', but will be used in the future to squash all kinds of valid anti-government protest. 

This is a strange hill for these people to die on, to be honest. 

 

That ship is preparing to leave the harbour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58796805

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2 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Pretty much this. I see their 'leader' has said that they would gladly stop an ambulance with a dying patient in it. 

That's the thing about protest. It only works when you can get the majority onboard. As you pointed out, most people would agree with the aim behind this protest, but if they start to look like extremists then support will drop away very, very quickly. 

Based on what evidence exactly? 

The majority of people were not onboard with the Suffragettes when they were chucking themselves under the King's horse, destroying mail or blowing up the houses of politicians.

The majority of (white, often white supremacist) Americans were not on board with the Civil Rights movement for racial equality. Even a peaceful activist like Martin Luther King was wildly unpopular before his assassination.

It is only in retrospect that such successful protest movements receive the fake veneer of majority support at the time. 

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At the stroke of a pen they could end this by upping the regulations of new build homes as a start.

Maybe they could also build in an electric charging point as well if the houses have driveways.

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Some data to flesh out the point that 'a protest needs majority backing to be successful', here's what the white American majority thought about the Civil Rights movement at the time:

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Harris Survey [August, 1966]

I'd like to ask you if you were in the same position as African Americans, if you think it would be justified or not to march and protest in demonstrations?

46% Justified

54% Not Justified

Subpopulation: Whites response

Methodology: Conducted by Louis Harris & Associates during August, 1966, and based on personal interviews with a national adult sample of 1,250. Sample size isa pproximate. As reported in the Washington Post.

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Harris Survey [October, 1966]

All in all, do you feel the demonstrations by African Americans on civil rights have helped more or hurt more in the advancement of African American rights?

85% Hurts 

15% Helps 

Subpopulation: Whites

Methodology: Conducted by Louis Harris & Associates during October, 1966, and based on personal interviews with a national adult sample of 1,250. Sample size is

 approximate. As reported in The Philadelphia Inquirer. 

Data provided by The Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

 

If only those pesky campaigers had thought about the concern trolling of the inconvenienced majority when trying to change a massively racist society! 

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Here btw is the absolute best example of concern trolling in history. Absolutely wild stuff:
 

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Religion And Civil Rights [January, 1967]
African Americans would be better off if they would take advantage of the opportunities that have been made available rather than spending so much time protesting.

7% Definitely disagree
11% Probably disagree
30% Probably agree
53% Definitely agree

Survey by Jeffrey K. Hadden
Methodology: Conducted by National Opinion Research Center, University of Chicago during January, 1967, and based on personal interviews with a national adults sample of 1,515. 
Data provided by The Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

 

 

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1 hour ago, 101 said:

At the stroke of a pen they could end this by upping the regulations of new build homes as a start.

Maybe they could also build in an electric charging point as well if the houses have driveways.

They'll need a charging point on every lamp post along with the 5g relays on top. There will be a few crispy dogs after trying for a pish.

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Blocking traffic to make a point about insulating homes doesn't even make sense.  At least if they were an anti-car protest group that would be a logical way to protest.  There are too many cars on the road and people make too many unnecessary journeys, but also lots of genuinely essential journeys, folk trying to get to their work, and ambulances and stuff so it's a shite way of protesting.  

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10 hours ago, cb_diamond said:

COP 26 would be infinitely more bearable if we got nightly news reports of black clad middle class "anarchists" getting an absolute shoeing, not from the police, but from the local young teams who have come in for some sport. 

@MarshmalloCall the Epic Department

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3 hours ago, resk said:

Blocking traffic to make a point about insulating homes doesn't even make sense.  At least if they were an anti-car protest group that would be a logical way to protest.  

I have a sneaking admiration for 'Insulate Britain' as a campaign - if not for their methods.

I could name several couples - in South Bucks - who have spent north of £50K on their kitchen inc. Aga but not a penny on their single-glazed windows.

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IB are back

 

 

 

The last guy makes the point about the age of some of the protesters is interesting, I've seen other references to the fact that quite a few of the protesters were older.  Basically, sit down protests are for boomers and wannabe boomers.

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6 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

IB are back

 

 

 

The last guy makes the point about the age of some of the protesters is interesting, I've seen other references to the fact that quite a few of the protesters were older.  Basically, sit down protests are for boomers and wannabe boomers.

I must admit, the woman running her 11 year old son to school in the big Range Rover is probably the right target for them.

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6 minutes ago, Tynierose said:

Dropping farquar at the gates to save him walking five minutes prior to her going to get her nails done and a coffee whilst spending a fortune on petrol for a twenty minute drive.

It's all about appearances.

Exactly, possibly an unpopular opinion but driving kids to school should be banned.

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