VAR in Scottish Football

[Willie adie]

6 hours ago, dezz said:

Given how important match day income from fans is to the Scottish game, it's ridiculous that (as far as I'm aware) not a single Scottish football fan has been asked for their opinion on the introduction of VAR which at the moment seems like its inevitable. 

Sitting in a freezing Fir Park in January waiting 5 minutes for someone in a trailer somewhere to draw wee lines to decide whether Tony Watt's big toe is offside isn't for me - especially when those in the stadium won't have a clue what's going on or the reason for the VAR check half the time. The main drawback for me though will be losing the ability to be able to properly celebrate a goal as there will definitely be a wee doubt in the back of your mind that a goal is going to be referred to VAR.

Maybe when they reveal how exactly it's going to be used in Scotland it wont be quite as bad, but surely the money that it's going to cost (almost £1m per season) could be far better spent on other ways to improve refereeing standards - full time refs and goal line technology for a start. 

What ? Amazed that no one gives a f**k about what fabs think, 

How long have you followed football in this country

[Arch Stanton]

2 hours ago, craigkillie said:

How many Scottish grounds have a big screen?

St. Mirren, Hibs, Celtic and Rangers.

ETA and of course Hampden but that is no longer a league ground.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Arch Stanton

[David W]

4 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

St. Mirren, Hibs, Celtic and Rangers.

ETA and of course Hampden but that is no longer a league ground.

Broadwood as well. Clyde and Cumbernauld Colts are part of the big six by the sounds of things.

[dezz]

1 hour ago, Willie adie said:

What ? Amazed that no one gives a f**k about what fabs think, 

How long have you followed football in this country

To be fair, I said it was 'ridiculous' fans hadn't been consulted - not that I was amazed or surprised they hadn't, because I am neither amazed or surprised that it's the case. 

[Theyellowbox]

1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said:

St. Mirren, Hibs, Celtic and Rangers.

ETA and of course Hampden but that is no longer a league ground.

I'm a way, if the clubs got either subsidised screens or even just make the decision to install them, they might actually find that the additional revenue stream will make them money.

I get folk may complain about the time in the stadium to make decisions, but it's a small price to pay to make sure the game is fair and also in step with the rest of the continent.

Out of interest, is it a requirement for the screen for European games post qualifying rounds? 

[accies1874]

I'm a way, if the clubs got either subsidised screens or even just make the decision to install them, they might actually find that the additional revenue stream will make them money.
I get folk may complain about the time in the stadium to make decisions, but it's a small price to pay to make sure the game is fair and also in step with the rest of the continent.
Out of interest, is it a requirement for the screen for European games post qualifying rounds? 

The game isn't fair though. Football's incredibly unfair for reasons more influential than Nick Walsh getting to look at a different angle.

[Dons_1988]

2 hours ago, Theyellowbox said:

I'm a way, if the clubs got either subsidised screens or even just make the decision to install them, they might actually find that the additional revenue stream will make them money.

I get folk may complain about the time in the stadium to make decisions, but it's a small price to pay to make sure the game is fair and also in step with the rest of the continent.

Out of interest, is it a requirement for the screen for European games post qualifying rounds? 

It’s not a small price to pay. 

[10menwent2mow]

Most people I've talked to about this who seem to be in favour are largely people that don't actually go to games. For me, it would make a significant difference to the matchday experience. I've yet to attend a game where VAR is a thing and am really in no hurry to. 

[ropy]

I am not fussed about it’s introduction.  I can only think of the Rangers off side goal against us at Ibrox and ‘tradition’ says that wouldn’t be overturned.

[Raidernation]

We all know how VAR will work in Scotland.
It will just reinforce the bias.

[Empty It]

We all know how VAR will work in Scotland.
It will just reinforce the bias.

Aye you're right the refs will forever be using it to give decisions against the OF.

[Torfason]

We go to our VAR centre for the Motherwell v Aberdeen game and the decision is penalty to Rangers.

It’s going to be like the show Capture

[Loonytoons]

VAR penalty decision in the Leicester Newcastle game is hilarious unless your a Geordie.
They are as well as ditching it and leaving it torally up to the refs again.

[accies1874]

VAR has definitely removed all controversy, as evidenced in the Premier League thread.

[rainbowrising]

VAR has without doubt resolved a lot of decisions correctly that the ref has been quite wrong about and some cases shown to be completely incompetent.

Do things still go wrong? Yes, but many decisions are sorted and the correct outcome applied.

It seems the anti-VARers on here given the choice between living in a world of pro Celtic/Rangers refs giving decisions that could be turned on their head actually prefer the conspiracy world. 

 

[Yorky]

15 minutes ago, rainbowrising said:

VAR has without doubt resolved a lot of decisions correctly that the ref has been quite wrong about and some cases shown to be completely incompetent.

Do things still go wrong? Yes, but many decisions are sorted and the correct outcome applied.

It seems the anti-VARers on here given the choice between living in a world of pro Celtic/Rangers refs giving decisions that could be turned on their head actually prefer the conspiracy world. 

 

Refs favour the old firm, right ? So var comes in and they continue to do that only to have their decisions overruled. They are going to look incompetent or biased very quickly and as such will need to change and improve. I’m all for it.

Edited January 1, 2022 by Yorky

[craigkillie]

Supporters have irrational beliefs about referees and their biases, and VAR will not remotely resolve that, it'll just give them another layer of people who they suspect have a deep-seated anti-Livingston bias or whatever.

[gannonball]

Just now, craigkillie said:

Supporters have irrational beliefs about referees and their biases, and VAR will not remotely resolve that, it'll just give them another layer of people who they suspect have a deep-seated anti-Livingston bias or whatever.
 

It certainly won’t eradicate the paranoia but I do think it will dampen it down a bit, less errors meaning less to speculate over etc.

[Trackdaybob]

58 minutes ago, Yorky said:

Refs favour the old firm, right ? So var comes in and they continue to do that only to have their decisions overruled. They are going to look incompetent or biased very quickly and as such will need to change and improve. I’m all for it.

You've not taken into account that the var suite will be full of the very same old firm sycophants. It'll be no different. 

 

 

50 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

layer of people who they suspect have a deep-seated anti-Livingston

That's all of us surely

[Yorky]

18 minutes ago, Trackdaybob said:

You've not taken into account that the var suite will be full of the very same old firm sycophants. It'll be no different. 

 

 

That's all of us surely

Any game on tv will work exactly the same way it does down south. It will be scrutinised for all to see whenever there is the need for var. There will be no hiding place old firm or not. They can’t simply ignore var because it’s Celtic or Rangers.