VAR in Scottish Football

[invergowrie arab]

So it's a million quid so the ref can have another look?

I thought it was to clear up obvious errors and get the big decisions right.

[Jacksgranda]

11 hours ago, Empty It said:

Football is going the same way as F1 with teams in the future winning titles in the courts.

That won't worry most of us...

[AJF]

41 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

Yet he lied 

It’s not some sort of mad conspiracy when the guy actually tells a lie 

Yet again, I never denied he did.

[VincentGuerin]

The Dougie McDonald fiasco was so incredibly interesting the first time round that - and I think I speak for us all here - I'm thrilled it's happening all over again.

[The Master]

If the other 18-yard camera was being used for close-ups of the dugouts instead of facing the play, that’s pretty incredible. 

The 18-yard cameras at non-live games are there only because of VAR, so that should be their first duty. 

[HibsFan]

The threat of a season ticket boycott is, of course, the only way that this gets resolved. VAR is fundamentally imperfect in its nature and can never get everything 100% perfect. We have a chance to create organised boycotts like we did ten years ago and vote with our wallets. Will enough of us? Sadly probably not.

I have written to Hibs twice on this issue now, and they have been informed that they will not be getting a single penny more of my money until they issue a club statement that explains why they were strongly in favour of VAR and why they did this without consulting the fans.

[gannonball]

2 hours ago, Lurkst said:

Remember this escapade after another Celtic victory...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/nov/28/dougie-mdconald-scottish-referee

 

Ah yes Dallas at the centre as per. Lying rat that he is. Why he told Mcdonald to lie is beyond me.

[DA Baracus]

Perhaps it's just coincidence that Celtic are whipping up the conspiracy pish for their deeply moronic fanbase at a time when there's increased talk around comparative budgets of clubs...

[gannonball]

12 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Perhaps it's just coincidence that Celtic are whipping up the conspiracy pish for their deeply moronic fanbase at a time when there's increased talk around comparative budgets of clubs...

The irony of this post

[DA Baracus]

Just now, gannonball said:

The irony of this post

You'll need to explain the irony.

[gannonball]

2 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

You'll need to explain the irony.

Calling a fanbase morons for believing conspiracies whilst dreaming one up yourself which doesn’t really make any sense. 

[Busta Nut]

1 hour ago, HibsFan said:

The threat of a season ticket boycott is, of course, the only way that this gets resolved. VAR is fundamentally imperfect in its nature and can never get everything 100% perfect. We have a chance to create organised boycotts like we did ten years ago and vote with our wallets. Will enough of us? Sadly probably not.

 

I reckon in 24/25 you'll see a good few fans drop off (if not before). I think will give it a full season but after that when it's still baws we'll all drop away.

[Dirty Sanchez]

For offsides, I would be interested to hear how errors and uncertainties are factored into these systems, if at all.

The treatment of, and approach to applying errors and uncertainties in measurements and calculations is a whole topic in itself.

Someone kicking a ball isn't instantaneous. There is a measureable time during which the ball is in contact with the passer's foot, and the position of the other players will change during that time.

When we are disallowing goals for someone's toe being offside, it would be far more credible to have a range of values that accounted for the uncertainty in the operator choosing which frame to use for his still image. Unless your technology can guarantee the image was taken at the exact moment the ball left the passer's foot, you might as well be trying to pick your nose with boxing gloves on.

[Trackdaybob]

12 hours ago, AJF said:

It is ruining aspects of our game. Our product is diminished and it’s laughable how it has been implemented.

Just like the sevco then.  

[craigkillie]

I couldn't care less who is complaining about it, and whether they've won or lost, I think it's fundamentally a good thing every time the various issues around VAR are brought up. There's obviously no bias involved, but it's absolutely fucking rubbish and it's useful to have the SFA (and indeed the clubs) having to constantly justify their decision to implement it.

[wastecoatwilly]

3 hours ago, AJF said:

Yet again, I never denied he did.

In denial or institutional bias.
 

[Ann Dan Otherthing]

9 hours ago, rainbowrising said:

From what has been stated, as I understand it, this camera has software that can map the pitch and presumably place the players involved at their locations on the pitch so it can work out if someone is on or off. That is a model though, not reality but apparently any possible error is zero.

The fact that "VAR" cameras are also being used for general coverage (the other 18 yard cam, hence no image) is just reducing things to farce. I can see why Celtic are wondering what is going on when that detail was pointed out. Is it feasible that both cams could have been picking up the game at the time?! What would they have done then?

VAR cameras are not being used for general coverage, rather broadcaster cameras are used to enhance VAR’S view. That’s how it was described on the BBC programme a few weeks ago.

[Ann Dan Otherthing]

8 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said:

Often said here and elsewhere I'm anti VAR, and the furore from Celtic and their fans has emphasised why.

Presently, the technology used isn't sufficient to give a definitive offside or not decision, it's a simple as that. The position a piece of film is halted at to give the still image used to draw lines and decide offside is made by a human, and as such can be erroneous or manipulated.

There's been research done proving that VAR is inaccurate for offsides, I'll look for it, but the substance is that cameras filming at 50fps cannot catch exact footage to prove offside one way or another. The SFA should just show the research to Celtic and tell them to f**k off.

 

 

The FPS thing is why the English widened the line drawn, to minimise that possible error. Presumably the Scottish lines are of a similar width?

[The Master]

32 minutes ago, Ann Dan Otherthing said:

VAR cameras are not being used for general coverage, rather broadcaster cameras are used to enhance VAR’S view. That’s how it was described on the BBC programme a few weeks ago.

That’s…not right.

There’s only 6 cameras at every non-live game (7 if it’s on Alba). All are used for “general coverage”, and for VAR.

[Ann Dan Otherthing]

19 minutes ago, The Master said:

That’s…not right.

There’s only 6 cameras at every non-live game (7 if it’s on Alba). All are used for “general coverage”, and for VAR.

This article says the 6 are VAR’s, with no mention of being used for general coverage, but frankly I don’t care either way. Saw Liverpool 21 times last season and as a fan in the ground detest VAR! But the Scottish Clubs voted it in and pay for the minimal camera coverage up here, so it’s here, probably to stay. Fan protests and suggested boycott are pointless.