hk blues Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 minute ago, DA Baracus said: Really? Pretty obvious why. Indeed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Looking forward to Celtic proposing we end this failed experiment at the next SPFL meeting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Can't say it's stopped me celebrating goals, that sounds like melodramatic nonsense. I do find myself getting pissed off while we wait for the referee to confirm the goal is fine once all the players have lined up for the kick off, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 If you’re going to try and argue this is a reasonable angle to show fans for a VAR decision Im just not going to believe you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, Clown Job said: If you’re going to try and argue this is a reasonable angle to show fans for a VAR decision Im just not going to believe you It certainly isn't reasonable and just further emphasises the views of those that are critical of VAR. If, as has been suggested, that there was another camera available on the opposite 18-yard line, I have no idea why they'd show this one. Amateur. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 5 hours ago, Leith Green said: Any article that uses the phrase "The Hoops" so many times needs to be completely ignored. Could've just be condensed to 'The Hoops tell the SFA to shove VAR up their hoop'. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Clown Job said: If you’re going to try and argue this is a reasonable angle to show fans for a VAR decision Im just not going to believe you From what has been stated, as I understand it, this camera has software that can map the pitch and presumably place the players involved at their locations on the pitch so it can work out if someone is on or off. That is a model though, not reality but apparently any possible error is zero. The fact that "VAR" cameras are also being used for general coverage (the other 18 yard cam, hence no image) is just reducing things to farce. I can see why Celtic are wondering what is going on when that detail was pointed out. Is it feasible that both cams could have been picking up the game at the time?! What would they have done then? Edited November 11, 2022 by rainbowrising 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 VAR is only in Scottish football because Celtic (and Rangers) demanded it. They have learned absolutely nothing from the weekly debacles the EPL has, yet demanded it anyway. They can away and lie in their own pish. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Stiles Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 As predictable as VAR being a mess is that all hell would be let loose in a media frenzy as soon as something went against one of the bigots. Yawn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stressball Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, AJF said: It certainly isn't reasonable and just further emphasises the views of those that are critical of VAR. If, as has been suggested, that there was another camera available on the opposite 18-yard line, I have no idea why they'd show this one. Amateur. From what I’ve read there’s a suggestion this camera was pointed at the managerial dug out. Edited November 11, 2022 by stressball 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Swello said: Wait until there's an Old Firm game with a goal chalked off by VAR - I suspect we haven't seen anything yet. It's one thing VAR chalking off a goal but imagine if it transpires that the cameras are actually being used for the game and miss a major incident? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Swello said: Wait until there's an Old Firm game with a goal chalked off by VAR - I suspect we haven't seen anything yet. I canny wait. Hope it's a massive shit show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, rainbowrising said: From what has been stated, as I understand it, this camera has software that can map the pitch and presumably place the players involved at their locations on the pitch so it can work out if someone is on or off. That is a model though, not reality but apparently any possible error is zero. I appreciate that you're just repeating what you've been told, but that sounds like absolute pish. There is no doubt technology possible which could create an accurate 3D map of all objects on the pitch at any given time, but not with one camera nor half a dozen cameras. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 And definitely not with zero error. Every single model has uncertainty attached to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 21 minutes ago, Michael W said: VAR is only in Scottish football because Celtic (and Rangers) demanded it. They have learned absolutely nothing from the weekly debacles the EPL has, yet demanded it anyway. They can away and lie in their own pish. All SPFL clubs bar one voted in favour of introducing VAR so this is clearly nonsense. To suggest it was only introduced at the behest of Rangers and Celtic is also nonsense considering there is only 1 league in the top 30 in Europe (I believe) that don’t use it. It was always going to go to a vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, Pull My Strings said: I appreciate that you're just repeating what you've been told, but that sounds like absolute pish. There is no doubt technology possible which could create an accurate 3D map of all objects on the pitch at any given time, but not with one camera nor half a dozen cameras. The SFA statement on the Jota goal says that using Hawkeye technology they can "calibrate an accurate decision". So they must be putting information from an image in to some kind of technology and making a call on it. Accurate and just how accurate? No idea but they imply some sort of mapping is being used (maybe painting a straight line on a screen is as far as it goes!) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 'What school did the VAR inventor go to?' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Often said here and elsewhere I'm anti VAR, and the furore from Celtic and their fans has emphasised why. Presently, the technology used isn't sufficient to give a definitive offside or not decision, it's a simple as that. The position a piece of film is halted at to give the still image used to draw lines and decide offside is made by a human, and as such can be erroneous or manipulated. There's been research done proving that VAR is inaccurate for offsides, I'll look for it, but the substance is that cameras filming at 50fps cannot catch exact footage to prove offside one way or another. The SFA should just show the research to Celtic and tell them to f**k off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambieBud Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 I often wonder just how many trophies Celtic would have won if the whole world wasn’t against them? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said: Often said here and elsewhere I'm anti VAR, and the furore from Celtic and their fans has emphasised why. Presently, the technology used isn't sufficient to give a definitive offside or not decision, it's a simple as that. The position a piece of film is halted at to give the still image used to draw lines and decide offside is made by a human, and as such can be erroneous or manipulated. There's been research done proving that VAR is inaccurate for offsides, I'll look for it, but the substance is that cameras filming at 50fps cannot catch exact footage to prove offside one way or another. The SFA should just show the research to Celtic and tell them to f**k off. That's got to be going in the pro VAR column, surely? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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